What's up with these suits I bought on ebay

[Byron]

Yes, some misrepresentation I think (seller in Chicago?).
Both suits are supposed to be 34" but one label says 30".
Australian size is 14 but the metric quoted for the waist
must be the same as France as metrication is universal.

French size translations are a cm out but that may be arguable.
White tag in leg seam is unreadable so not sure about that.
ENDURANCE seems to be in the wrong place and bum logo has
only one example on the internet.
The nearest design seems to be Speedo Endurance Bum Logo
Brief from Australia's David Jones stores (davidjones.com/au)

[skippy]

I'm starting to lean more towards they are fake,I did some googling on counterfeit speedos and came up with how to spot fakes on the ebay buying guides but it is for jammers.Pretty much same applies to them as for the briefs,Loose material strange logo wrong size ect.I'm waiting to hear back from seller.I did see 2 other sellers with the same logo placement and they are in Bangkok,Thailand.

[skinnykid]

From a guy that has quite of bit of experience with speedos, I think it's fake...

[skippy]

Thanks skinnykid,Seller was cool and has no problem with me returning suits,This is actually my 2nd attempt in the last 2 weeks returning speedos Last week I ordered on ebay an endurance suit and it was nice but seller listed wrong size(return)Now this.I really want an endurance with around 1" or 2" sides.

[Torchwatch]

A very long time ago, Speedo did use their swoosh without the "Speedo" text but I suspect we are going back to the days of nylon suits, it was on a glued on printed "badge" that could flake off. A modern suit should have the Speedo swoosh and "Speedo" text logos embroidered on.
These could possibly be very old suits that have been in storage, the elastane content of the Lycra may have corrupted, put them on and if the crotch drops towards your knees they are corrupt.
To counter the above argument I don't think the Endurance product is that old, having only been available in Europe for a few years. The Endurance effect is to make the suit last longer, ie to stop the crotch dropping down to your knees. This creates a paradox of a modern Endurance suit in storage for a long time, longer than Endurance have existed perhaps.
One of the suit labels says "Fabrique en Chine", this is French for "Made in China", this label was intended for the European market but ended up on a suit that got onto Ebay USA. Speedo were making suits for Europe in Sri Lanka before they contracted to have them made in China, if they are old suits then the labels don't match the suits.
The factories that own the RN (registration numbers) are contracted to make garments for the International Brands. See photo of an RN and bar code label earlier in this discussion. These factories often take on more work than they can cope with and subcontract it out to less reputable sweat shops. The sweat shops take possession of all the labels including the RN. From this source surplus genuine labels can get onto the fake market.
For about £60 or $100 anyone can set up in silk screen printing, you could print anything you wanted onto any old suit and make it more interesting. Who wouldn't want "Speedo" across the back of a suit, and the "Endurance" logo is desirable.
I suspect but cannot prove that your 2 suits have been made from old fabric, have old style swoosh label badges, genuine but misappropriated labels and some dodgy silk screen printing, and that similar suits are available throughout USA.
Fake goods do not satisfy peoples expectations and might put swimmers off the Speedo brand for life.

[Torchwatch]

They don't make an Endurance suit with 1-2" sides in Europe.
Your search may be fruitless.

[skippy]

Both of these suits say Fabrique en Chine,Now the black endurance suit has a very silky texture and is very stretchy and yes everything falls, so I have a hard time believing this will withstand the rigors of chlorine,It would probably disintegrate in one swim.Another thing I'm thinking is because this is European made suit,could it be it has that loose style?? The tag says 34" and it is not completely tight on me 100% but if I go to the swim shop here in U.S and buy a 34" it is very tight.They are obviously new suits though.My verdict is they are not 100% in some way or not up to speedo Quality control standards if official.

[Byron]

Your summing-up there seems quite plausible to me and unfortunately, with the manufacturing mysteries of the orient, "it goes with the territory".

I can confirm the short life of the simple brand mark which was impressed without any text in past years but it was surprising that , I think , Skinnykid reported its recent loss from his Speedo after just one swim session in chlorinated water.

Economic PS: We are told that High Street retailers are suffering in their sales against the ever-rising popularity of purchases online - but to see it, feel it, and read the labels has no satisfactory substitute in the world of speedos, I feel.
(is there a problem of personal hygiene protocol applied to trying-on the goods in US stores?)

[Byron]

To clarify, post #15 was in response to post #12 - and post #13 was a disappointment to learn - but explains my impression of not seeing any references for some time to the excellent little Endurance brief.

[skippy]

Originally Posted by Torchwatch

They don't make an Endurance suit with 1-2" sides in Europe.
Your search may be fruitless.

Torchwatch they do make one with a 2" side,The prior one I bought on ebay was real nice but the seller listed the wrong size, it was a 38" instead of a 36".Here is that suit.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Speedo-Endurance-Brief-5cm-Swimsuit-36-Navy-Blue-with-Yellow-Drawstring-Waist-/171028817396?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STR K%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=S8Ukd92hAOHflO9XeADcDDV ky5s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc