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Old 03-01-2012, 06:36 AM
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Default Speed Lzr Vs Speedo Aquablade

tO MY UNDERSTANDING THE SPD LZR IS ABOUT THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE SPEEDO AQUABLADE.
AS THE LZR COVERS 3/4 OF THE BODY AND THE AQUABLADE IS A BRIEF, THEN HOW IS IT THAT IT IS SEAD THAT THE LZR IS SEAD TO BE THE FASTEST SWIMWEAR IN THE WORLD.
YET AS THE LZR IS BIGGER THEN THE AQUABLADE THUS THE LZR MUST EVIDENTLY WEIGH MORE THE THE AQUABLADE,
THE QUESTION IS HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY FASTER.-HANKS.
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Old 03-01-2012, 04:52 PM
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LZR is slicker than skin..skin causes more drag
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Old 03-01-2012, 07:00 PM
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Yes, it comes down to man vs. shark so that the drag factor is more important than fabric weight in creating faster movement through water.

The human body is covered with uneven skin which has pores to give it ventilation (and hairs which swimmers may wish to shave off to produce better competition times).
Sharks' bodies on the other hand are entirely covered by placoid scales which create tiny vortices to reduce drag in water and so make their swimming more efficient (and quieter - important in seeking prey as sound carries so well underwater).
This article was written a few years ago when Speedo were trying to go even further with an improved LZR Pulse fabric:

http://memagazine.asme.org/articles/...kskin_Suit.cfm
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:34 PM
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Default Lzr Vs Aquablade

Anyway it seems that outher swimwear makers came up with outher fabrics just as good as the LZR.
iTSEEMS THAT FINA ALSO PLAN TO BAN THE SUIT OR PLANS TO DO SO. fOR SOME REASON.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:42 AM
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It is high time this word "ban" was used accurately - the fabric is not but the full body coverage is. In effect manufacturers will comply in most cases with what are now known as jammers ie the "waist to knee only" rule will be observed as is now required at competitions of international standard and for the recognition of new fast times in such events.

If you wish to know what Speedo products now conform to the FINA Rules of 2010 a list is provided on http://speedo.com/swimwear_products/...a_approved.htm

If other manufacturers consider they have fabrics to perform equal to or better than the LZR they can produce such within the rules - but they had better be wary of many extant Speedo patents.
Fabrics must be "textile" - the definition of which remains unclear.

The background to all this is Beijing 2008 where 79 of the many new world swimming records were achieved by competitors wearing LZR Racer Suits.
FINA met in 2009 to consider the implications of this and decided to act on the new super fabrics in terms of new rules for thickness, body coverage, buoyancy and other advantages - and, last but not least, the ability to gain medals by those with the fattest check books to afford the new technology.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:55 AM
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List referred to above should be
http://www.speedo.co.uk/s111swimrang...ts_1index.html
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:03 AM
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http://www.speedo.co.uk/en-uk/s111sw...s_1/index.html
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:32 PM
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Efectively I did read about what you say, and must admit yes its not the material thats bene banned but the full couverage, I had bene informed about thar detail but but had forgotten it you refreshed my memory.
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:01 PM
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After about fifty attempts I shall now send the correct link:

http://www.speedo.co.uk/en_uk/s111sw...s_1/index.html
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Old 03-03-2012, 02:17 AM
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2008 produced more arguments than I thought - TYR even sued Speedo.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7558622.stm

Btw, Arena Adidas and Jaked also seem to be in the game for new fabrics
but the earlier predictions for world records in London 2012 to surpass the amazing events of Beijing 2008 are now considered far too optimistic in view of the new FINA Rules in force.
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