What's up with these suits I bought on ebay

[skippy]

O.K I just received 2 speedo suits I bought on ebay and both of them are have very thin material and the lining is different than what I'm used to.Its strange that both suits are different styles but made the same,I'm not happy with them as they are very (worn droopy) like when They become chlorine worn,But they appear to be new.One has the new tag,Both are 34" and would normally be tight on me.I don't know if these are some overseas style or something, but I've had many suits and I've never worn this type.The Blue speedo is similar in material to a nike type of suit and I thought the endurance suit was made of a stiffer material,Don't know.Maybe someone has some insight on this and Here are the links to my auction,Also the tags say made in china and the blue suit is 80% nylon 20% Elastane whatever that is and now I notice the seller listed as Lycra/nylon (which is wrong).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181133955381?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181133951532?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[Byron]

Not sure whether there is a false description there as different words are sometimes used for the same man-made fibres.
A little danger sign for the blue suit is "size 34 - fits 36 "
A shame that you should end up with apparent poor quality as so many users love their Endurance.

Elastane or Spandex (created from "expand" and the preferred name in North America) was invented in 1959 and its chemistry is a polyurethane-
polyurea copolymer - also known as Lycra (DuPont)(or was).
Many "Lycras" seem to me to be paper-thin so no doubt the fabric's blending counts
for a lot and there are many here who say "only nylon satisfactory for me".

[skippy]

Him stating the 34" fits like a 36" didn't bother me as a normal speedo in size 34" is a little squashed for me,But the blue speedo looks and feels like a nike,It has that rubbery feel but a new nike suit has strength to it as this is very thin and grossly revealing,And to be honest I never Actually bought a Endurance suit,but I assume it is tougher and not so thin,and that fits like a 36" as well.So why are both these suits similar and thin??? The tags have a price in english pounds so are there different materials used in other countries??They are made by speedo.

[Torchwatch]

Speedo Endurance should be made from : Fabric: 80% Polyamide 20% Elastane.
A Speedo Lycra suit should be made from a Polyester/ Elastane mix, not a nylon/Lycra mix.
The Speedo Swoosh should have the word Speedo above it, to me it looks wrong.
The Speedo text logo on the rear of the suits looks correct but is not often used.

With Speedos you may downsize but never upsize.

Another board member has complained about a low quality Speedo Endurance suit recently.

If these are genuine Speedo products there should be a little Speedo label between the 2 white labels showing size, care instructions and materials.
The back of this little Speedo label shows a bar code and a number.
The 2 genuine suits in my hand have the numbers: 00420 63092 (Filpturn Kapow, made in China), and 00300 85080 ( a suit from Australia made in Thailand).
These numbers relate to the factory where the garment was made.
If you suits don't have this label and numbers in this format then they are fakes.

A British Speedo Endurance should look like this: http://www.simplyswim.com/products/Speedo/EndurancePlus8cmSportsBrief-Black.aspx

While the USA version is like this:http://www.swimoutlet.com/product_p/7884.htm?color=9325 (watch the video)

[skippy]

Thanks Torchwatch for this info and take a look at the pictures and tell me what you think,Also look at the sizing tag then the store outer tag and compare numbers.This is from the black endurance suit,but blue suit does have the inner bar code tag too.

Inner Bar code tag (endurance)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/8745125537_59cd37ecfb_z.jpg
Supposed Boomerang stitched
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8138/8746247556_6e73fb0765_z.jpg
Sizing Tag (endurance)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7311/8745125321_c790bc7322_z.jpg
Store Tag (endurance)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8273/8745125079_6408c5dd3b_z.jpg

[Byron]

Yes look fake to me - the Speedo boomerang is wrong as Torchwatch says.
(it's not Swoosh - that's Nike)

[skippy]

Maybe I can get a refund from seller if possible,A few more people to confirm these are fake and I will ask,Just want to make sure.

[Byron]

Yes, some misrepresentation I think (seller in Chicago?).
Both suits are supposed to be 34" but one label says 30".
Australian size is 14 but the metric quoted for the waist
must be the same as France as metrication is universal.

French size translations are a cm out but that may be arguable.
White tag in leg seam is unreadable so not sure about that.
ENDURANCE seems to be in the wrong place and bum logo has
only one example on the internet.
The nearest design seems to be Speedo Endurance Bum Logo
Brief from Australia's David Jones stores (davidjones.com/au)

[skippy]

I'm starting to lean more towards they are fake,I did some googling on counterfeit speedos and came up with how to spot fakes on the ebay buying guides but it is for jammers.Pretty much same applies to them as for the briefs,Loose material strange logo wrong size ect.I'm waiting to hear back from seller.I did see 2 other sellers with the same logo placement and they are in Bangkok,Thailand.

[skinnykid]

From a guy that has quite of bit of experience with speedos, I think it's fake...

[skippy]

Thanks skinnykid,Seller was cool and has no problem with me returning suits,This is actually my 2nd attempt in the last 2 weeks returning speedos Last week I ordered on ebay an endurance suit and it was nice but seller listed wrong size(return)Now this.I really want an endurance with around 1" or 2" sides.

[Torchwatch]

A very long time ago, Speedo did use their swoosh without the "Speedo" text but I suspect we are going back to the days of nylon suits, it was on a glued on printed "badge" that could flake off. A modern suit should have the Speedo swoosh and "Speedo" text logos embroidered on.
These could possibly be very old suits that have been in storage, the elastane content of the Lycra may have corrupted, put them on and if the crotch drops towards your knees they are corrupt.
To counter the above argument I don't think the Endurance product is that old, having only been available in Europe for a few years. The Endurance effect is to make the suit last longer, ie to stop the crotch dropping down to your knees. This creates a paradox of a modern Endurance suit in storage for a long time, longer than Endurance have existed perhaps.
One of the suit labels says "Fabrique en Chine", this is French for "Made in China", this label was intended for the European market but ended up on a suit that got onto Ebay USA. Speedo were making suits for Europe in Sri Lanka before they contracted to have them made in China, if they are old suits then the labels don't match the suits.
The factories that own the RN (registration numbers) are contracted to make garments for the International Brands. See photo of an RN and bar code label earlier in this discussion. These factories often take on more work than they can cope with and subcontract it out to less reputable sweat shops. The sweat shops take possession of all the labels including the RN. From this source surplus genuine labels can get onto the fake market.
For about £60 or $100 anyone can set up in silk screen printing, you could print anything you wanted onto any old suit and make it more interesting. Who wouldn't want "Speedo" across the back of a suit, and the "Endurance" logo is desirable.
I suspect but cannot prove that your 2 suits have been made from old fabric, have old style swoosh label badges, genuine but misappropriated labels and some dodgy silk screen printing, and that similar suits are available throughout USA.
Fake goods do not satisfy peoples expectations and might put swimmers off the Speedo brand for life.

[Torchwatch]

They don't make an Endurance suit with 1-2" sides in Europe.
Your search may be fruitless.

[skippy]

Both of these suits say Fabrique en Chine,Now the black endurance suit has a very silky texture and is very stretchy and yes everything falls, so I have a hard time believing this will withstand the rigors of chlorine,It would probably disintegrate in one swim.Another thing I'm thinking is because this is European made suit,could it be it has that loose style?? The tag says 34" and it is not completely tight on me 100% but if I go to the swim shop here in U.S and buy a 34" it is very tight.They are obviously new suits though.My verdict is they are not 100% in some way or not up to speedo Quality control standards if official.

[Byron]

Your summing-up there seems quite plausible to me and unfortunately, with the manufacturing mysteries of the orient, "it goes with the territory".

I can confirm the short life of the simple brand mark which was impressed without any text in past years but it was surprising that , I think , Skinnykid reported its recent loss from his Speedo after just one swim session in chlorinated water.

Economic PS: We are told that High Street retailers are suffering in their sales against the ever-rising popularity of purchases online - but to see it, feel it, and read the labels has no satisfactory substitute in the world of speedos, I feel.
(is there a problem of personal hygiene protocol applied to trying-on the goods in US stores?)

[Byron]

To clarify, post #15 was in response to post #12 - and post #13 was a disappointment to learn - but explains my impression of not seeing any references for some time to the excellent little Endurance brief.

[Byron]

To answer skippy's point I too am confused that separate companies still exist as Spedo GB and Speedo USA, although the brand is owned by the Pentland Group, headquartered in England.
What different and worldwide sub-contract arrangements are adopted by each I do not clearly know but I think there is an agreement not to trespass on each others' sales territories and it is highly likely that quality control standards of the resultant products are not co-ordinated.

I had better say here clearly that these are assumptions only on my part from what little I know as the Speedo Corporation is somewhat sensitive and litigious - and I readily accept herewith and unconditionally any amendments required to this post.

[louis]

I seriousely checked on the pics skippy sent and notice that on one of the labels it says size 34 then australian sz 14 sz 34 in aussi sz is not 14 but 18 error on tab perhaps.

[skippy]

Now the more I look at the logo I think I bought Star Trek swim briefs,Glad to get rid of them.I did one of those well If I try them on today maybe I will like them better.....It didn't happen.

[Torchwatch]

With the leg hole elastics holding the suit close to you and the crotch fabric hanging half way down to your knees there is no way you will get to like that suit however many times you try it on.
You see swim club kids in really worn out Speedos looking like that as they climb the steps out of the pool, water dripping everywhere and you guess that their mums really can't be bothered to buy them new kit.

[Byron]

One of many inaccuracies Louis.
Skippy is supposed to have two suits each 34".

Endurance sizing tag says GB34 but its store tag says GB30
The first one says Australia 14 and you say that should be 18
Under Australia 14 it says waist 80 - which contradicts France 85 above it
(metric is universal so one or the other is wrong)

Endurance store tag says GB30 and I would not disagree with France75
as the interpretation - this time we see nothing at all for Australia however.

In other words a complete Chinese dog's breakfast at the factory sewing machine I suspect !

[skippy]

I looked to see if the seller did the melt together with plastic tie that holds the store tag to the suit just to pass off as a new with tags.But it is professionally attached.Don't know if stores have a tool or machine that does that though.The suit would have to be around a 34" or 36" definitely not a 30" waist.The outside store tag is obviously wrong.

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Sorry, but fake. I have swam in and been a loyal Speedo swimmer for years. Good luck getting a refund. You might be better off to complain to eBay and to send a suit to Speedo and file a report there. Chalk it up to a lesson learned.

[skippy]

Sorry, but fake. I have swam in and been a loyal Speedo swimmer for years. Good luck getting a refund. You might be better off to complain to eBay and to send a suit to Speedo and file a report there. Chalk it up to a lesson learned.

Spoke to seller and he said will give refund.

[skinnykid]

Spoke to seller and he said will give refund.
Just curious, did the seller admit that it was fake or did the seller not know? I know that eBay will give warning or even suspend sellers with counterfeits.

[skippy]

He didn't say,Just said he will refund me back.I'm not looking to get the guy in trouble or anything,He might not have been aware.I knew something was wrong the second I tried them on,I've had a lot of experience with swim suits so it was easy to detect something was up,Someone else may not know.I can say though whoever does wear them in water is going to have their stuff on display big time.

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Get your refund then turn him in. Why allow him to just rip someone else off?

[louis]

Never the less, I did purchase online via ebay and some chinese sites suits that are supposed to be speedo brand but were not yet even if they were not they were cheap but in good shape with excellent quality.
Also we must keep in mind that china do not respect copyrighted popular brands.
EX... SPEEDOS MADE IN JAPAN ARE MADE BY THE MIZUNO COMPANY AND THEY ARE EVEN MUCH BETTER QUALITY THEN OUR SPEEDO BRANDS ARE BUT MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.
MIZUNO ARE MENTIONNED ON THE TABS.

[skippy]

They don't make an Endurance suit with 1-2" sides in Europe.
Your search may be fruitless.

Torchwatch they do make one with a 2" side,The prior one I bought on ebay was real nice but the seller listed the wrong size, it was a 38" instead of a 36".Here is that suit.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Speedo-Endurance-Brief-5cm-Swimsuit-36-Navy-Blue-with-Yellow-Drawstring-Waist-/171028817396?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=S8Ukd92hAOHflO9XeADcDDVky5s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

[Byron]

Yep, very nice suit - and good to know they are still around somewhere.
Age of that Endurance not stated but Speedo is clearly spelled out in their
old style font.
In fact what you submit there shows what I saw on the David Jones site
(see post#8).
Also I see now what is that fuzzy white strip in the rear leg seam - it is
the back-fabric of the embroidered word ENDURANCE.

[Byron]

Yep, very nice suit - and good to know they are still around somewhere.
Age of that Endurance not stated but Speedo is clearly spelled out in their
old style font.
In fact what you submit there shows what I saw on the David Jones site
(see post#8).
Also I see now what is that fuzzy white strip in the rear leg seam - it is
the back-fabric of the embroidered word ENDURANCE.

[skippy]

It is nice I wanted to keep i but had to return it,Too big.I will check out the site byron maybe I will order from them,Thanks.

[Torchwatch]

Torchwatch they do make one with a 2" side,The prior one I bought on ebay was real nice but the seller listed the wrong size, it was a 38" instead of a 36".Here is that suit.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Speedo-Endurance-Brief-5cm-Swimsuit-36-Navy-Blue-with-Yellow-Drawstring-Waist-/171028817396?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=S8Ukd92hAOHflO9XeADcDDVky5s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Could you please confirm whether the logos Speedo+Speedo Swoosh and Endurance were embroidered or silk screen printed onto the suit.

I am suspicious about the way in which the red coloured trim at the sides have been overlocked together, the stitching is usually hidden on the inside of the suit. Speedo do sometimes overlock on the outside of a suit but always with the same colour thread as the underlying fabric. It seems strange and amateur to use white thread on red and navy sections of fabric. A garment factory completing Speedo contracts would have many overlockers each set up with the correct coloured thread and the worker would pass the garments on to another machinist.

This suit was made in Asia for the Asian market, the red white and blue theme may have been in "support" for London 2012, the sizing is Asian, size 36" in UK is L not XXL as stated.

My conclusion is that it may have been made under a Speedo contract and use the Endurance fabric but is a "grey import" into the USA.

[Byron]

Might be some confusion here - the submitted link says navy blue and yellow so it's the 36" on Ebay to be looked at (which was unsuitable as
it turned out to be 38" when it arrived) - and that's what David Jones
was showing also and to which I drew attention.

[Byron]

Had another look at what I saw and said for DJ.
To be quite accurate I should say Speedo here
is in the modern font and piping is white:
http://shop.davidjones.com/au/djs/en/davidjones/endurance-bum-logo-brief

Theirs is $40 (though they have other Speedo) and I am going to stick my
neck out and say genuine

[Byron]

Wrong slash above and link is
http://shop.davidjones.com.au/djs/en/davidjones/endurance-bum-logo-brief

[Torchwatch]

Apologies, I reviewed the wrong suit (one of the ones in the little boxes) didn't realise I could scroll down that page.

The black suit with the yellow piping and text on the back actually looks genuine, sorry it turned out to be too big.

[skippy]

Yeah the suit was a keeper but the seller had a hard time with bad vision looking at the size which was really tiny,Honest mistake.But here is another ebay auction and if you scroll down to the bottom photos you will see it has the side inches listed below each photo,One of them is 2" I was tempted to buy these and they look nice but in light of what happened I am more aware of fakes and these might be as well,The leg bindings look too rippled. Am I right or wrong on this one??
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-3-Speedo-Endurance-Mens-Brief-Bikini-Bathing-Swimsuit-Swimwear-Size-36-/261216363748?pt=US_CSA_MC_Swimwear&hash=item3cd1b564e4

[Byron]

Looks like reasonable fabric in the pic and accurate speedo logo but a few alarm bells ring.
Supplier from Bangkok and this is supposedly an Edurance made in Thailand - but no
rear view in the presentation.
Tags not visible but something shown in the waist band as tucked in on the black one.
Sold as new without tags. That means "original tags may not be attached"
and buyer not to expect it in original packaging either.

[Torchwatch]

In a garment factory tags are added after a product has passed quality control and is ready for packaging and despatch.

Tags are removed by retailers and customers for various reasons.

Speedo use a factory in Thailand for producing swim briefs for the European and other markets. Products not available in Europe could be made there.

A non tagged item in Thailand may have been made in the Speedo factory but may not have passed the final Quality Control test. Maybe we are talking seconds.

[Byron]

Seems quite possible - any comment on Skippy saying "rippled"?

(and should I expect the word along the back leg seam - or were there
several designs for Endurance briefs* over the years?)

*I mean brief as in brief swimsuit - I have to remember that in the US
briefs are underpants, and have been caught out many times on that in researching small speedos.
(I can clearly see that these have Thai cords of course)

[PSDave]

it's an Ebay purchase -- you have to expect that about half of items sold are what they describe. You have a 50/50 chance of getting a real deal which gives you an equal chance of getting screwed.

[skippy]

Well 2" side endurance suits do exist and they are listed as endurance 5cm suits and Hopefully I can purchase a legit one on ebay for a good price.

[Torchwatch]

The Speedo Endurance 5cm does exist in UK, but only if you are size 30" (navy), or size 40" (black)
Enjoy the frustration .....

http://www.figleaves.com/uk/product/spd-8-00-720-0001/speedo-performance-brief-endurance-5cm-brief/?show=1&noc=1

[Torchwatch]

If you are really desperate there is a pair of size Large 5cm Speedo Endurance for sale in New Zealand.

http://www.swimt3.co.nz/swimwear-swimt3/endurance-mens-5cm-brief-speedo.html

[Torchwatch]

Is this a 5cm Speedo Endurance available in all sizes.

http://www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_074010851043_-1

[briefstyle]

The Speedo Endurance 5cm does exist in UK, but only if you are size 30" (navy), or size 40" (black)
Enjoy the frustration .....

http://www.figleaves.com/uk/product/spd-8-00-720-0001/speedo-performance-brief-endurance-5cm-brief/?show=1&noc=1

More sizes from Speedo UK - http://store.speedo.co.uk/p/briefs/mens-endurance-plus--5cm-brief/800720

[Torchwatch]

WOW, you can actually get a size 36" in black !!!!!