Short Shorts On The Way Back!!!

[California Dolphin]

Not Speedos, butt (pun intended) another fetish for "abbreviated" clothes:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/gay-fetish-kink-other-porn/383731-short-shorts.html :D

California Dolphin

[Byron]

Well, I hope so but a few "old faithfuls" appear in there (and I mean OLD) and I remember using the 4th pic to illustrate a point some while back (a guy out shopping in his local mall but I forget the exact thread on that occasion).

[Byron]

http://endless-pulchritude.tumblr.com/image/30093090699

The spectator and the athlete - good to see that the old split sides have not disappeared.

[Swimmboy]

Those split-side shorts are hot. Many years ago - late 80s/early 90s - Adidas made such shorts with an outer shell that was so light and airy the lightest breeze would lift the panels. I remember being in a college stadium one day when guys and girls were just hanging around sunbathing and such - I was several rows below a group of guys standing and talking, one wearing those Adidas shorts. Looking up at them, the breeze had lifted the panel's on the guy's shorts, completely exposing the white inner liner and its bulging contents to my view. It was so erotic to see a dude so exposed... I immediately hurried to a nearby "Stripe 3" Adidas store to purchase some, which I still have today....

[NJHunkguy]

Nike has two styles as short as those in the photo in black. I saw them at the outlet I recently visited. US $24.99.

[NakedBudd]

I have never given in to the fashion of knee-length "shorts." The longest I have are lower-thigh, because that's just all I could find.

I have a bright yellow pair of running shorts that I made side-split by (carefully) removing the seam. They look great, can't tell they are altered, and wear well. I run/jog on business trips all the time, and work out in them at the gym where I get some looks and the occasional OMG stare from a younger person, but who cares?

Also, wear boxer shorts as outerwear to the bank, grocery, Homo Depot, etc.

[Byron]

Interesting - to what extent up to the waist band do you remove the thread of the side seam?
Put me right on this but are not the Adidas and other splits for runners constructed with a slight fabric overlap at the open sides ?

[California Dolphin]

I had several pairs of worn out jeans that I decided to make into cut offs. So I chopped them off a bit over 1/2 way up from the knees (which is as high as I can go without exposing the bottom of the pockets).

I've been casually wearing them out in public for about a year and they look and feel great.

No derogatory looks or comments either!!! :D

CD

[Byron]

Whenever I see the cut-off denims in hot weather it always seems to be the girls now who have taken over the fashion which could be more readily seen amongst the boys a few years back.
Do you go for new leg hemlines or prefer the frayed look ?
(and determining the correct height of cut at the base of bum cheeks is important I feel).

[kumu]

A few years back we had a construction guy working on the house, he had one of those incredible natural builds, probably about .0005% body fat, and thankfully he wore obscenely short cutoffs. Literally his balls hung out of them, he was totally at ease, happy with that. He'd even go down to the liquor store deli to buy lunch wearing those tiny obscene cut offs. He wasn't all just good looks, he was a real good, competent worker.

[Byron]

:) :) It is hot and sunny today and I suddenly have an urge to get some house repairs done.....

[NJHunkguy]

Good subject!

Short short split shorts are just up my alley. :)

Here is a cheap one, I have been eyeing to buy it. Either yellow or light blue.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270992116117?var=570094026786&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[PSDave]

i got some. Quality D-. Short - YES, lets just say they are not really a cover up for speedos. Consistency in sizing F. Friend got some the same size and color and fit entirely different. Good Luck. As always, its a crap shoot when ordering from China. Kind of like a trip to Vegas - if you can't afford to lose the money, don't go there.

[NJHunkguy]

i got some. Quality D-. Short - YES, lets just say they are not really a cover up for speedos. Consistency in sizing F. Friend got some the same size and color and fit entirely different. Good Luck. As always, its a crap shoot when ordering from China. Kind of like a trip to Vegas - if you can't afford to lose the money, don't go there.
Did not see yours and friend's actual transactions, I couldn't make a comment on your experience. So far it had been good a few times I bought ebay items from China. I always read through the descriptions, read other buyers' comments. Keep a couple days or months before I finally make up my mind to purchase. Being cheap, I feel it should be appropriate for occasional running and weight lifting.

Do you realize that there are generally speaking 2 styles which look similar, but different? One is that one I am showing, a short split running shorts by Paul Jones. There is another one by Seobean, which is shorter, different material, butts hugging, swimsuit.

Both are looking similarly but actually two different things...

[Byron]

http://images.latinospost.com/data/images/full/4912/prince-harry-and-alex-logan.jpg?w=600


Off-topic but the little lad had been rehearsed to say "I'm glad to see you with your clothes on" - but Harry had been briefed in advance.

[NakedBudd]

Interesting - to what extent up to the waist band do you remove the thread of the side seam?
Put me right on this but are not the Adidas and other splits for runners constructed with a slight fabric overlap at the open sides ?

These BRIGHT yellow shorts are actually Speedo brand, but that has nothing to do with their length. I remove the thread of the side seam clear to the waistband. And Yes, there is a slight fabric overlap at the now-open sides, so you aren't fully exposed when standing, but when running or sitting or working out the thigh is full-on. :)

[PSDave]

Did not see yours and friend's actual transactions, I couldn't make a comment on your experience. So far it had been good a few times I bought ebay items from China. I always read through the descriptions, read other buyers' comments. Keep a couple days or months before I finally make up my mind to purchase. Being cheap, I feel it should be appropriate for occasional running and weight lifting.

Do you realize that there are generally speaking 2 styles which look similar, but different? One is that one I am showing, a short split running shorts by Paul Jones. There is another one by Seobean, which is shorter, different material, butts hugging, swimsuit.

Both are looking similarly but actually two different things...

I had ordered mine and told him - he looked and ordered his before mine had arrived. The were both ordered the same size and both labeled the same when they arrived. When held up together one was about 1.5 inches larger across. Quality was pretty much Walmart standards -- seams coming apart by second washing (cold water, delicate cycle)

Like I said, with the inconsistency from china, I don't order something I'm not willing to toss in Goodwill or trash if it's crummy. I have some great suits, but enough to know it is a crap shoot!

[snakestone91]

Nice!
I wear shorts like that too - love it!
If people want to stare or comment, they can.
I get as many positive as negative reactions -
Hope fully coz I look good in them........
Real shorts look + feel amazin!

[Byron]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9y0c195EZ1rtzucio1_500.jpg
Shorter or longer than these ?

PS: These denims have had considerably more cutting and redesign in the recycling so I guess really only suitable for the bedroom:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnfrdYXrO1qkgwhmo1_500.png

[California Dolphin]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9y0c195EZ1rtzucio1_500.jpg
Shorter or longer than these ?

PS: These denims have had considerably more cutting and redesign in the recycling so I guess really only suitable for the bedroom:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnfrdYXrO1qkgwhmo1_500.png
My cut off jeans are somewhere in between the two extremes - about 2-1/2" shorter than the first one and about 6" longer than the second. :D

CD

[Byron]

Nice shorts I haven't seen before (what a shame they are designated "for the gym" - makes guys feel they are not appropriate to be seen out and about)
http://www.sexyundies.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/aussiebum-shorts.jpg

[louis]

I have one but its nsvy blue with dasrn blue stripes they are very very short indeed.

[bostonspdo]

I've always loved to wear short shorts and I'm lucky that, weather permitting, I can wear them most of the time. Not to take anything away from speedos, but you can't really wear them on the subway or bus, going shopping, visiting a farmers' market, getting a haircut, or just around the neighborhood -- things I do in my short shorts all the time. If more men would wear them, maybe they would stage a comeback. My take on length: Stand up straight with your arms at your sides. If you can feel cloth with your fingers, your shorts are too long.

[Byron]

Good rule of thumb there
(the military will know also that when at attention on parade the correct alignment of the arm is to feel the side seam of the pants with the thumb)

[California Dolphin]

"My take on length: Stand up straight with your arms at your sides. If you can feel cloth with your fingers, your shorts are too long".[/QUOTE]

If you're making cut offs from regular jeans, you still have to make sure the legs are long enough to cover the bottom of the pockets.

Other than that, just cut'em off as short as possible!!! :D

[Byron]

Deliciously right?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7kbJythr9sc/Se5e2suLJrI/AAAAAAAABf8/R8PXRfucnAo/s1600-h/guy+in+cut+off+shorts.jpg

Definitely wrong?
http://hossofsauce.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/4e2f10a92cb16-preview-300.jpg

[bostonspdo]

Check out http://guysinshortshorts.tumblr.com/ for more short shorts.

[Torchwatch]

Byron, you need pockets in order to demonstrate the long eared trouser elephant, but it does seem a poor show to have them dangling in public.

[PSDave]

nephew came this weekend and told me he had joined the cross country team at school. Told him I'd take him shopping but I had some shorts from when I ran so he dug through the "ancient history" drawer. He found a pair of Dolphins and really liked them so tried them on. When he modeled them he was a bit modest due to shortness, but figured they'd be ok. Liked fabric and how they looked on. Then he sat down and his junk fell out. "Gross - I can't wear these if I fall out" Told him I wore them with a speedo or jock. Speedo was out - didn't like his junk mashed. He also tried on some Arena shorts with the built in panty -- ok, but still "weird". Ended up a sporting good store's running section and got him some shorts that are mid thigh (5" inseam) that had a mid butt slit on legs. Those were short enough and he could go commando. Taking a guy from boxers to bikinis is not an easy chore. Gays in the bar seem to like them cuz their junk does fall out or they can display some bright color jock or speedo. Not expecting a big comeback but at least they will be available and seen on beaches and gyms more.
PS was hard the rest of the weekend watching his johnson swinging around in those shorts!

[NJHunkguy]

nephew came this weekend and told me he had joined the cross country team at school. Told him I'd take him shopping but I had some shorts from when I ran so he dug through the "ancient history" drawer. He found a pair of Dolphins and really liked them so tried them on. When he modeled them he was a bit modest due to shortness, but figured they'd be ok. Liked fabric and how they looked on. Then he sat down and his junk fell out. "Gross - I can't wear these if I fall out" Told him I wore them with a speedo or jock. Speedo was out - didn't like his junk mashed. He also tried on some Arena shorts with the built in panty -- ok, but still "weird". Ended up a sporting good store's running section and got him some shorts that are mid thigh (5" inseam) that had a mid butt slit on legs. Those were short enough and he could go commando. Taking a guy from boxers to bikinis is not an easy chore. Gays in the bar seem to like them cuz their junk does fall out or they can display some bright color jock or speedo. Not expecting a big comeback but at least they will be available and seen on beaches and gyms more.
PS was hard the rest of the weekend watching his johnson swinging around in those shorts!
You could use this as a scheme to write a complete short story. It should be exciting...

[Byron]

Sorry to be a pedant NJH but theme not scheme for a story

[Byron]

Never heard johnson before. I know now but nowhere does the internet seem to explain why this family name is used and not Smith or any other........

(maybe akin to London rhyming slang eg if someone is ginger that's short for ginger beer)

[Byron]

We've discussed appropriate length and I think we can agree that this guy has perhaps gone a little too far:
http://greengaytube.com/short-shorts-in-public-2-431397.html

[Torchwatch]

There is a time and place for most things, loitering in a street with your junk hanging out is liable to get you arrested for indecent exposure. The people that have seen you and reported you to the police will also speak to local news reporters, wearers of speedos and decently cut short sports and hiking shorts will be blamed and labelled as perverts. You will therefore bring brief and skimpy menswear into disrepute by upsetting the public in public places.

The guy in the video appears to be wearing jeans that have been cut away leaving little more than a pair of briefs. The crotch has been cut away to just a strap between the legs, and although the garment has been hemmed the lack of elastic leg bindings in the hems means without support anything dangling will drop out (possibly a design for a woman). If you are going to wear something like this then keep it for the bedroom with your preferred partner.

At school we had to wear short white shorts commando for PE, sitting on a lower bench we would see up the shorts of those on benches above us if we looked round. It didn't matter as we would see each other in the showers later, but if you are going to wear short shorts commando have a thought for those that might see up them and object.

[California Dolphin]

From my personal experience, if you're going to wear short shorts, you need to wear conventional tight fitting underwear to provide "support" if you know what I mean.

My body has changed over the past two decades and shorts that fit and looked OK in 1980's don't work nowdays. However, I can compensate for the change by adding more support and I can wear cut off jeans that more than 1/2 way up from the knee with no problem. :D

CD

[Byron]

To illustrate the point: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rl9sazwZ1r257ybo1_1280.jpg

[sebbie]

Could this be a reason why jock straps were invented? When I was growing up, a guy in those kinds of shorts would not be caught without a strap or a brif liner

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

I am not so sure I see anything horrible about the pic... yeah his shorts flow open a bit...so what! He's damn impressive in that hand stand... and no, he should not wear a jock...

[NJHunkguy]

I was running through the streets of Brooklyn wearing this short short with bikini underwear underneath. At one intersection, a man screamed loudly, "PUT SOME CLOTHES ON, PUT SOME "F**KING" CLOTHES ON!"

I was running forward, did not look back, did not have time of thought to react. But half a day later still bother by it. But not angry nor sad.

*Not myself. Photo from the web.

[NJHunkguy]

It was 81F degrees sunny, I wanted to get some tan ;) .

[Torchwatch]

Most homophobes are repressed gays, they are sexually excited by the sight of a man in brief clothing. They then experience self disgust at their reaction and lash out violently towards the source of their sexual excitement.
Quite often they will suggest that they are trying to protect women and children from indecency.
They pose as alpha males, but had you turned around he may have just looked fat.

[Byron]

Ex-Army trooper (uncompromisingly out to former colleagues) has just written a short memoir relating his experiences during training as a new recruit.
Not always an easy time for him and it was during a posting some time later that he saw a past assailant actually kissing another man in a bar.
The particularly interesting bit (or so it is told) is that when he was a gunner he once fled to Harry (his tank commander) with roughnecks from
another regiment in hot pursuit to give him a beating.
He was sympathetically received and the matter was promptly "sorted" on his behalf.

[California Dolphin]

While we're back on the topic, I'm noticing that even more guys are running in short running shorts.

Today, I noticed that at least 1/2 the guys were in short shorts. When I started keeping track about a year ago, it was more like 1/4.

I've even seen a few guys in their 20's wearing old style shorts at the supermarket.

The trend is definitely encouraging!!!:D

[Torchwatch]

Whilst running I used to gauge the weather by counting the number of men I saw in shorts, as shorts got longer I had to ignore anything below the knee, as they are "not really shorts", maybe things are looking up now.

Soccer teams etc did not count as their use of shorts was compulsory and upset the data.

I of course was in proper 1970-80's split sided running shorts.

[Byron]

When you refer to split-sided is that to mean properly split so that
the separate leg seams only come together at the waist band ? I ask as I have seen shorts
described as "split" when I would only say "notched" - ie giving just a little extra girth at the upper thigh.
Your old favourites were previously described as split sided speedos and I know just what
you mean, with front and rear fabric having slight leftside and rightside overlaps.
I thought there might be an illustration somewhere on the internet but no luck in finding that design so far.

[Torchwatch]

A pair of notched shorts has a front and back panel coming together at each side with a seam. The lowest inch or so of the seam is left open allowing a V shaped notch to form.
Split running shorts have curved front and back panels that overlap, front over back and are stitched to the waist band. Usually there is a depth of stitching holding the two panels together for a couple of inches or so for modesty, though running shorts sold in sex shops may lack this.
Split running shorts allow greater freedom of movement and give the impression that you might just be able to see the side of the ass, but quite never can.

Does that answer you question?

[NJHunkguy]

That shorts I referred to has V shaped notch sides.
I personally like split shorts more for the "greater freedom of movement and give the impression that you might just be able to see the side of the ass, but quite never can".

[NJHunkguy]

Yes, shocking to me too, 2 weeks ago I saw a young man jogging on the Brooklyn streets wore a pair of black shorts similar length to that one I shown. Pretty much never saw any around this area of the US.

(Probably more chance to see short shorts in Central Park and Chelsea Piers.)

[bostonspdo]

I thought I noticed, over the past couple of years, a slow increase in the number of men wearing short(er) shorts, not only for running, etc., but also just around on the street, so I'm happy to see others have noticed the same thing. Personally, I've always tried to wear short shorts as often to possible. My preference is for 2-3 in. inseams and shiny nylon but I wear all types of shorts. I recently had a pair of low rise jeans altered to a pair of shorts with about 4 in. inseam. It had to be that long because of the pockets.
It's difficult to find short shorts but they are available on ebay and other places. So few guys wear short shorts that they aren't even marketed to guys. Soffe makes short nylon shorts called "slicks" that I really like but you have to know that on their web site, the shorts are listed under the female "Junior" size shorts, altho they are sized and cut for males (probably unisex) and they used to be sold as shorts for men.

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

The best split leg running shorts were back in the early 1990's when Nike had a line of "Internationalist" Race Shorts that were fully split and the inseam was about half an inch. The material was cut so that the side seam was about 4 inches and split. They were awesome shorts. I had three or four pair and loved them. Today, full split shorts are really hard to find with only a few brands still realy selling them. BOA has a great 1 inch inseam full split short and is my current mainstay for running (unless I am at the beach, in which case I wear a brief swimsuit).

http://www.boausa.com/

[Byron]

Thanks for explanations and illustrations guys - common level of understanding established (wish I could pass a law on retailers to do the same - some who aren't specialist so often can't properly describe what they offer).

PS: tantalising running shorts can sometimes be more attractive than speedos
(but I shall have to ask Louis's forgiveness there)

[Byron]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/afc06ffdf5ea71172dff37ce869088f5/tumblr_mnpqa3x4F41rjuwmgo1_500.jpg

[California Dolphin]

" I recently had a pair of low rise jeans altered to a pair of shorts with about 4 in. inseam. It had to be that long because of the pockets."

That's the main problem in making cutoffs. You have to carefully measure the leg length you want while you're actually wearing them. Otherwise the pockets will show below the leg line which looks really wacky. :eek:

[louis]

Well, this forum board seems to becomming a shorts fantasy board instead of a speedo one, but thats ok I like short shorts to, but speedo on yal ALL hear or..............

[bostonspdo]

I found some illustrations to go with the recent discussion of side split shorts (sprinters). It's quite clear how these shorts are constructed because they are very transparent.
http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/markusbrighton/media/website/running%20shorts/rwb21-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=12
http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/markusbrighton/media/website/running%20shorts/rwb18-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=14

[Byron]

http://www.markus-brighton.com

Don't much like his speedos and not all the shorts but some pleasurable research undertaken from which I conclude:
Cheap at £2.95 and in the white pics I think I see some broad vertical stripes of a modesty speedo beneath.

These shorts do not appear to be fully split with side seam overlaps but are sufficiently so to go beyond describing just as with side notch . I am in some confusion however as I think I see a second seamline but only in that with blue braiding.
(Torchwatch must assist me there)
Whatever, there is plenty to see on his Ebay page and also in Google Images.

(btw do we not have or used to have a board member from Brighton?)

[louis]

bostonspdo your id rings a bell to me were you on the old board ?

[Torchwatch]

SwimTeamSpeedo
The best split leg running shorts were back in the early 1990's when Nike had a line of "Internationalist" Race Shorts that were fully split and the inseam was about half an inch. The material was cut so that the side seam was about 4 inches and split. They were awesome shorts. I had three or four pair and loved them.

192

Here is me racing in Nike International split shorts and vest in Sept 1998.
Apologies for the yellow soccer shirt under the running vest.

Happy memories STS, I still have them and am wearing them now.

[bostonspdo]

bostonspdo your id rings a bell to me were you on the old board ?
1. For Louis, yes I was on the old board. And 2., Byron lists the Markus-Brighton web page, but there is rarely much there. You need to check out his ebay offerings (markus-brighton with a hyphen). He also does speedo style suits in "interesting" fabrics.

[California Dolphin]

Well, this forum board seems to becomming a shorts fantasy board instead of a speedo one, but thats ok I like short shorts to, but speedo on yal ALL hear or..............
I love the look of a guy swimming in a speedo and all that wet skin really gives me a rush.

However the look of a guy out running in short running shorts and those developed thighs are the next best thing!!! :D

[louis]

Thanks bostonspd then we arte chips of the old block i will check on ebay as you suggested.
To cal dolf...... same here buddy.

[Byron]

Yes, front pockets a problem for denim cut-offs - here the rear pockets just about survive:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f569321dba285ebdaa4214c48fa319b/tumblr_mi6z1r6oTv1qf809po1_500.jpg

[Torchwatch]

Byron, I think that is Lycra printed to look like cut down denim. The artists are getting good, but take a look at the leather authenticity badge, it just doesn't look real.

[Byron]

Yes, had my suspicions and the texture doesn't ring true does it?
So well done it was worth the pic however.

Btw what do you think of Mark-Brighton's whites? (very cheap?)

[Torchwatch]

Mark-Brighton has been selling see through white running shorts for a few years now so there must be some demand or he is very persistent. The problem is where to wear them and what to wear under them. With nothing underneath they would be too shocking but with underwear or swimwear underneath they become a tease, perhaps a jockstrap might work. There used to be shorts around made of "onion skin" they were also very see through and suitable only for cruising in gay sports bars. The trouble with all over daring swimsuits and shorts is that on the busy main beach you will appear to be trying too hard, while on the naturist beach you will appear too shy, and consign yourself to areas where other people can only see you at a distance.

No it is not a picture of a runner arriving at a swim pool, failed link, lol.

[NJHunkguy]

Grey 1st purchased shorts from Ebay
Black Aqux 2nd pruchase

[NJHunkguy]

Black shorts purchased, shipping!
Yellow shorts, waiting for its sales, then make the purchase.

All 4 shorts from Ebay sellers, under $6.

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

[QUOTE=Torchwatch] There used to be shorts around made of "onion skin" they were also very see through and suitable only for cruising in gay sports bars. [QUOTE]

We used to wear onion skin shorts as our drag suits at swim practice when I was in HS. Yes there were sheer, and I can see how they became gay bar attire (although I never tried that...lol). Some of the guys wore them over their suits while on deck at meets also - mainly because they felt more covered even though you could clearly see right thru them.

[Byron]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxugl6J8DS1r4kgf6o1_500.jpg

Re. Tw post#65 as he seems to have his secret computer antennae up to detect my mistakes the above is the pic for the guy numbered 10 in nice brief white split running shorts and possibly arriving at a pool, where he has prepared with his black speedo - of which we see maybe a glimpse at the leg split?

[Byron]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/ec48df62a590a3173151e89e268fa437/tumblr_ml26srLpoJ1qe4r4oo1_500.jpg

OK - I can't see what ES say for these but having tight leg seams would perhaps mean a swimming short. However, being brief with such freedom would they double as running shorts ?

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Not for me, Byron. While short, being so tight, they would still bunch up. If I went short and tight, I'd just wear a square cut swimsuit. I like my running shorts really short, full side split, but loose so that everything can move with no restrictions. I'll see if I can find a photo of what I mean....

[Torchwatch]

I think sewn up split sided shorts were for swimming and fashion girls.
Though I would rather wear something in Lycra for swimming.

[sebbie]

Here is what College basketball players wore circa 1960
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2010/03/23/20100323_edgerton-basketball_33.jpg

A photo from 1965
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8451/8067912556_e846aa6406_o.jpg

1970-71 Duke team
http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/images/team/team-1970-71.jpg

1975 small town HS tean

http://newleipzig.com/images/historical/1970-1979/NewLeipzigBasketballTeam1975CTeam.jpg

1980-81 HS team

http://www.jdcrimsonbears.com/images/history/big/1980-81.jpg

1985 Colorado college team
http://www.cubuffs.com/fls/600/classic/images/basketball_m/basketball_m_1985-86_team.jpg

1991 team
http://cdn77.psbin.com/25cndnzznzwbykx6/sports/mbkb/team_photos/1991_Men-s_Basketball.jpg?max_width=650

Check this site out for a whole sequence of teams and you can see how shorts changed year by year



http://athletics.bowdoin.edu/sports/mbkb/team_photos/Men-s_Basketball_Team_Photos_Archive

For that matter check out their Swim team photo archive from 1929 to current

http://athletics.bowdoin.edu/sports/mswimdive/team_photos/Men-s_Swimming_Team_Photos_Archive

1995 HS BB Shorts are getting longer

http://charlescityhighschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/CCHS-1995-Sports-Boys-Basketball-Varsity.jpg

Almost to the knee by 2000

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5268/5576755973_4434f11762_o.jpg

2005 Over the kne

http://www.upj.pitt.edu/resources/images/Athletics/2005/ATH05_TEAM_005_MensBasketball_w600.jpg

[sebbie]

Conclusion: THe Over-the-knee trend in BB shorts didnt really get underway until about 2000. Shorts started lehgthening significantly about 1995

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Interesting research Sebbie. Shorts have clearly followed the way of social norms. Mens swimwear and casual shorts were also much shorter through the 80's. Anyone recall the OP shorts guys wore that had virtually no inseam? Most guys swimwear "back in the day" was the boxer and gym short styles that looked much like basketball shorts. Then along came board shorts....

What I did find intersting is the swim team archive from Bowdoin, which is on the mid-coast of Maine. The guys never did adopt jammers, at least not by the photos. Also, unlike many teams that ventured to more fully dressed team photos of late, Bowdoin's team photos stayed in swim attire.

[louis]

After seeing all those pics, I cant understand why basket ball shorts came to be so long.
Wasnt it a lot cooler while they were short, more comfortable, mor freedom of mouvement, and not to mention the athletic look, and the athletes body enhancing, riminds me of the short tennis shorts of the 60ts and on til the long ones came to trend , I remember how graceful the tennis players were in there different mouvements in white short shorts , same thing for basketball of course. hopefully shorts shorts will be back so athletes will be more sport like in appearance.

[Byron]

Yes, good old pics there to reflect the changing times - and those team photos looked far more impressive with the original long socks being worn.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me3gxoBwxZ1qelnfpo1_1280.jpg

This has a relationship with mysterious number ten shorts (post#69)
These guys are wearing ES and they are all number twelve Barcelona
(and I think all with speedos under).
A style which is new to me - could they be beach volleyballers ?

Btw what are OP?

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

http://www.etsy.com/listing/111252003/vintage-retro-1970s-op-grass-green-kelly

Popular in the US in the 70's and 80's

[solarguy]

http://www.etsy.com/listing/111252003/vintage-retro-1970s-op-grass-green-kelly

Popular in the US in the 70's and 80's


I had these shorts in ten different colors! Would love to have them now. I still get made fun of, for the pink pair I had!

[sebbie]

What I found interesting about the long College swim-team sequence is that the swimmers seemed to have no issues with being photographed as a team all clad in briefs up until about the year 2000. Then after that note that the men clad with sweatpants and maybe a zippered sweatshirt over were asked to step in front of the scantily clad swimmers which conveniently hides the torsos and legs of the guys wearing only briefs. After this there seems to be some dispute as to what appropriate swim-team team photo attire should be that doesn't get fully resolved in successive photos as the years pass.

Some guys in recent years seem comfortable being photographed only in their briefs, others perhaps less so. There is a bit of a homo-erotic component to all of this as in swim team guys being photographed only in briefs with a bunch of other guys..is this ok or not? It's part of bing part of the swimming team to get photographed in only your briefs sopmething every male swim team member needs to come to terms.

[Byron]

Swimmers maybe - but no issues with the water polo guys I would suggest
(in fact the less to wear the better)

[Byron]

:confused: OP green kelly seem to be corduroy walking shorts
(and Etsy some sort of craftsmen's cooperative from Brooklyn NY
but pricing goods on the website in GBP).

I would have thought STS's preference in running shorts to be something like this:
(nil inseam in the approved competition wear for this Oz athletic club)
http://www.athleticsact.org.au/_/rsrc/1364427082617/teams/2aact_comp_uniform_male_running_shorts.jpg

[Minimalist75]

I liked the look of the front pockets sticking out below the bottom of the shorts on cutoffs when short shorts were in fashion.

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

My post referring to OP shorts was about how lengths have changed for guys shorts and swimwear. Go read it again.... OP shorts were the in-style guys casual shorts of the day.

[shaulis]

Basketball players such as Michael Jordan really got long shorts in the mainstream when the players decided against wearing the usual short shorts that were worn for years. They wanted shorts that were more their style which were longer and looser than the older players' shorts.

[Byron]

.......might that by any chance include the manufacturers' opportunity for a price-hike, advertising space, and lurid coloring?
I have yet to be convinced that a long mass of manmade fiber clinging to a sweaty leg during play can in some way be more comfortable to wear.

[Torchwatch]

The drug gangs in the USA started to wear big baggy shorts in the 1990's, they were able to hide drugs and weapons in their shorts. The black and later white communities followed suit when they played street basket ball and followed the fashion of the tougher guys.
The "moral majority" jumped onto the bandwagon, they identified shorter shorts with the gay community, and so turned young people against, showing their legs.
Interesting to see how in the WW2 era photos the guys went topless, but covered the navel.
The pre WW2 swimmers covered their chests but exposed their legs, in heavy cotton it must have been hard to swim. No wonder so many schools enforced naked swimming.

[Byron]

Heavy cotton might well be suitable in training as a drag suit today but I can still remember the horrors of oversized speedos in scratchy soggy wool !

[California Dolphin]

I know for a fact that the long and baggy look that guys all over the place are now wearing originated as the uniform for prison inmates and was initiated by the California Dept. Of Corrections some time in the early 80s.

Then Rappers and basketball players adopted the look.

[shaulis]

I remember that the long versus short shorts in the NBA actually made the national news. The coaches at the time were definitely against longer/baggier shorts saying they would make their players look like gang members. It wasn't much later until the college basketball players wore longer shorts as well.

[Lap Counter]

The short shorts of vintage NBA uniforms were so short they showed the player's jockstrap every time he made a jump shot or went up for a rebound. Perhaps that motivated players to want longer shorts?

[Torchwatch]

Wow, back in the 1950's-60's they were wearing bumper boots for basketball. I had a pair in the 1970's. They are a black canvas plimsolls with white rubber fittings including star embossed ankle caps. I haven't seen or thought of them in years.

[Byron]

Re. post #83 cut-offs done previously but cannot see posts now in the archives.
However, with pockets remaining here (but always for the girls these days):
http://www4.images.coolspotters.com/photos/858797/erin-wasson-for-rvca-hish-cut-off-denim-shorts-gallery.jpg

[Byron]

Re. post #84 yes, I have read it again and I think this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Post#75 says, inter alia , "OP shorts guys wore that had virtually no inseam".
Being ignorant of this product I was subsequently referred to OP Shorts Kelly Green website, expecting to see the past objects of desire - but instead finding corduroy walking shorts definitely WITH a noticeable inseam.
I should perhaps have been looking at "Vintage Retro 1970s Beige Taupe Tan"
......so further directions are awaited in order that I do not miss the point again.

(Btw also awaited is promised photo which might obviate all my guesswork)

PS:Considering you're so pernickety with skinnykid if he wants to say short shorts I hope you will properly define "virtually no inseam" with a precise measurement.

[Byron]

Remember those - these are a "1950s basketball icon":
http://www.finishline.com/store/images/products/xlpm10ch3kblk.jpg

[California Dolphin]

These are not pre 90s men's shorts, but it does indicate there is a definite trend to a shorter style!!! ;)

http://www.marcjacobs.com/marc-by-marc-jacobs/mens/ready-to-wear/

CD

[California Dolphin]

Here's an update on the subject:

http://blog.sfgate.com/chronstyle/2013/07/01/men-in-shorts/#13664-2

CD

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Slide 14 in CD's post shows what may be the earliest "board shorts" I have seen... Jantzen 1966. They may not be real boardies, but the length was certainly getting there.

[Torchwatch]

Picture 14 is described as a "Barris surf car", but it looks like a Mini Moke, made in England and used in the Prisoner TV series.
I am sure Byron will tell me if I am correct.

[Byron]

I am indeed in accord with that observation and nothing like the Barris:
http://lyttlestreet.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/aloha-machine.png

I note that it is RHD but it is however confusing as the side panels say Beach Boys, Mini Surfer and what looks like the Barris logo.

From The Prisoner (for the uninitiated, Port Meirion Wales - a village of some fantasy created by architect Clough William Ellis):
http://www.philipsage.webspace.virginmedia.com/minimoke/Images/prisoner_moke.jpg

Originally intended to be a military vehicle the Moke was to imitate the American "Jeep" ( a rather daft idea with those small wheels on rough terrain). It succeeded as a popular beach buggy however and production moved from Cowley Oxfordshire to Birmingham Longbridge. After that to Italy - and ended up in Portugal where the last one rolled off the line in 1993.

[Byron]

http://caerblaidd.com/gallery/portmeirion-italianate-village/
(built between 1925 and 1975)

Amend:
Architect Sir Bertram Clough Williams-Ellis and Minimoke is LHD

[Byron]

LOL - we have been all over the place in this thread already but here is one guy who is multi-operational and seems to have all recreational occasions covered:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/8ba2322d68d22b5ed8a2b120f76e5ba0/tumblr_modr0zCkSC1qi8re5o1_500.jpg

He wears red split-sided short running shorts with a cord under which may be a G string - and below that the tanline of what may have beensquare cut trunks.

[California Dolphin]

Here's a way to formally popularize short shorts and short swim suits:

http://www.chubbiesshorts.com/pages/college-ambassador-chublication

Any of you guys on a college campus outa try this!!! :D

[louis]

Wow if those come back in style I will eat pasta for a month to save up and buy a few and get myself a pair of binnoculars.

[shaulis]

Wow just a few months ago this company offered a few styles and colors of their shorts. Today they offer easily double compared to just a few months ago. They are a made in the USA company and I hope they continue growing.

[Byron]

Am I missing something here?
What exactly should be tried out on campus
- is it the activities as filmed in the video?

A nice selection of unspectacular shorts is shown
but as for "radical" on the menu it is hard to see
how some mostly unintelligible marketing
gobbledygook therein can fit that word.

To read this one expects to see the world set on
fire with the product - I don't think so!

[California Dolphin]

This article was published back in January of this year, but it's still a trend:

http://hongwrong.com/no-pants-day-hong-kong/

Everyday outa be "no pants" (actually "No Half Pants") day.

[Byron]

LOL - did you know what you were starting here?
A year now and still going - and just short of 8000
hits !

[knikon]

Companies now produce pre-fabbed cutoffs for girls

[Byron]

LOL - there is also somewhere a very very brief cut-off made as a swimsuit for men
(a Japanese site as I recall - hard to find - Sebbie may know what I'm talking about)

[California Dolphin]

Here's an update on this trend:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/US-Open-Nadal-tops-Djokovic-for-13th-major-title-4797736.php#photo-5161341

Not many pics of the below the hip area, but he definitely likes his shorts short.

[Minimalist75]

... since these are considered short shorts. When I was younger, all tennis shorts were shorter than this and volleyball and track shorts were even shorter than tennis shorts. Now it seems like the only truly short athletics shorts are for running. The local college cross country team runs past my house sometimes and they mostly wear very short short, sometimes with deep side splits, and no shirt. Might as well run in speedos, they wouldn't cover much less.

[Byron]

Yes, I suppose that might be considered daring - not sure what Wimbledon Rules lay down about length.

Btw, I found the Japanese guy with denim cut off cut off cut offs in a short shorts video2 which is NSFSF (Not Suitable For Speedo Forum)

[California Dolphin]

If they are 1/2 way up from the knees (and even shorter), that's good and it indicates men are starting to push back against the long & baggy look.

[Minimalist75]

They are generally well above mid thigh,much closer to waist than knee and often spilt at the side almost to the waist. This is the local college cross country team, so probably not representative of college men in general.
On a totally unrelated note, except it refers to lack of shyness among young males, another local college is doing The Full Monty for thier fall musical.
While I gather that despite the title, there is minimal full frontal nudity, I believe it does show a lot of males who are wearing little.

[Byron]

LOL - perhaps they can take a few tips from Les Dieux De Stade - the
French rugby guys seem proficient, with clever photography, in producing
their tasteful and sexy annual calendar.

[California Dolphin]

This article is about a father who wanted to shame his daughter for wearing short shorts, however many (if not most) of the comments indicate that men in short shorts look just OK!!! :p

http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/2013/09/13/dad-wears-short-shorts-to-teach-daughter-a-lesson/

[California Dolphin]

I drove by a high school athletic field today and I noticed there were teenagers in P.E. class running multiple laps around the track.

Surprisingly, about half of them were in pre 90s era running shorts. So some progress is being made and encouragement to keep up the campaign. :D

[singletlover]

School track teams bus the students to a local park to run. Most are shirtless, wearing short compression shorts under nylon running shorts. My guess no more than a 6-7 inch inseam.

[Byron]

Could someone explain the value of compression shorts to me?
A jock was sufficient for them in the past but I see rugby players
wearing them more and more nowadays.
The effect is very odd as they may be wearing white short team shorts in the game - but protruding beneath are black compression shorts almost down to the knee.

[Torchwatch]

http://www.livestrong.com/article/67597-compression-shorts-work/

[California Dolphin]

I absolutely hate the look and feel of compression shorts.

A large department store had a 50% off men's underwear and I
inadvertently picked up a package of jammer style cotton underwear. I've worn them on several occasions and find them rather uncomfortable. So I can imagine how bad lycra and spandex jammers feel.

My opinion is that compression shorts and jammers are just a streamlined version of the "half pants" or "leg veils" that are passed off as men's "shorts".

[50 Free]

But sometimes an article of clothing is designed to actually help a person perform well in his sport. Not so much as a fashion statement. Jammers are believed to be the fastest LEGAL men's wear in the sport of swimming, competitive swimming that is, which has rules about what to wear. Now pretty obviously most serious swimmers would prefer a brief for practice and workout but there must be a reason they wear a jammer to a world record performance. The sport has come a long way since Mark Spitz posed for his portrait wearing seven gold medals. And a patriotic speedo.

[Torchwatch]

Somehow I regard choosing clothing that gives you an advantage, over performing naked, unless the clothing is there for protection from the environment or the sport to be cheating.
We had this over the hydrodynamic properties of full body swim suit fabrics which were eventually banned.

Speedos, (split sided) running shorts and cycle shorts all provide appropriate modesty for public viewing and total freedom of movement. Cycle shorts also provide padding for the riders comfort and protection.

Compression shorts offer muscle performance advantage, maybe useful in training but not in competition.

[50 Free]

I guess at some point we have to determine whether we're in it for the sport or to put on a show. Looks like to try to do both either alarms or disappoints. LOL
Overhearing some swim moms at practice the other day it sounds like they wish their boys would wear speedos. They sat there and named off all those who had, over the years. They determined that it was only the oldest, those in high school. And that the younger ones were too self conscious, or afraid of being ridiculed. I don't recall having that problem as a young team member in a speedo, we didn't have a choice. That made it unnecessary to worry about, and there wasn't any reason to pick on one who wore a brief racing suit.

[California Dolphin]

If "jammers" were around in my high school days in the 1960s and 70s, everyone would have ridiculed them as being absolutely weird.

Despite their present acceptance, I still believe that jammers are the weirdest looking clothing ever devised. As a swim suit, jammers give the impression of a guy wearing pants with out a shirt.

Those basketball "shorts" and "Half Pants" are the next worse. They distort the shape and form of the human body and they give the impression of Downs Syndrome (a deformity with short legs and a long torso).

Thankfully, a lot of guys are finally rejecting the status quo and the 1980s shorts are making a come back.

[Byron]

....but I'm even more confused - has Torchwatch got competition and training the wrong way round?

[Torchwatch]

No confusion, compression shorts may be permitted in training but give an unfair advantage in competition and should be banned.

[Byron]

Using the word permitted makes the post much clearer.....

[50 Free]

While learning this drill today I noticed that maybe a third of the boys on this team like their briefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEQeipNyjiw&feature=youtu.be

[Byron]

Hard to count - the girls seem to outnumber the boys.

[California Dolphin]

While learning this drill today I noticed that maybe a third of the boys on this team like their briefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEQeipNyjiw&feature=youtu.be

That vid is an excellent example of why I hate jammers. They look more like a guy wearing pants without a short rather than a swim suit.

However GoSwim does have a lot of vids and pics with speedos.

[Byron]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/8e1a882842b90289fd47b91e5955fe8c/tumblr_mxwm7sFSAE1rdprgyo1_400.jpg
(I thought rugby but the boots do not seem to be appropriate)

[Torchwatch]

Looks like a rugby league player wearing New Balance running shoes, rugby boots do tend to rip up the carpets indoors.

[California Dolphin]

Since the topic has been brought up again, I've noticed that the number of guys out running in short shorts has edged up since my initial post.

It now looks like about 80% are at least half way up from the knees. So the trend is definitely improving!!! :D

[Byron]

Any advice ? - never can be sure about identifying the modern sports gear on these guys:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m54lvjpbdA1qgh8bko1_500.png
Obviously some white compression shorts and long sleeves being worn and seemingly some cups awaiting awards in a sports hall - and some plain flags which may be indicative of something.

[zonneman]

This guy - look at his huge thigh muscles - is an indoor track (velodrome) cyclist. Apparently a German. He is wearing padded cycle shorts, a short sleeve shirt, and separate sleeves ('arm pieces'). In indoor cycling these are habitually worn to reduce air friction.

UCI = the International Cycling Association.
erdgas ('natural gas') is the sponsoring name of some German energy enterprise, seen in may sports, soccer among them.

[Byron]

Thanks for info. - that puts it all together. Long sleeves took me away from sprint cycling though I was closer with Germany in my guesswork ( at least erdgas does not have the same problem with logo placement as with British Gas on TD's diving briefs)

[NJHunkguy]

AQUX boxer shorts
from Ebay (fake)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7386/14123846255_d87972c79e.jpg https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7415/14123846045_3113350af6.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/14123846105_21f8e826e9.jpg https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7457/14123846035_c12df721a9.jpg

[Byron]

Definition showing with your workout program NJH

[California Dolphin]

Looks like short shorts are back for volleyball:

http://www.abcroomsinrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/men_volleyball_world_championship_01.jpg

Hopefully, they'll become popular for other sports.

[NJHunkguy]

Bought a couple short shorts for running on Ebay last summer 2013. Since this post started, I had been planning on sharing photos of the shorts once I thought I was ready. They would be appropriate for the subject of this post.

#139, May 6 posting was more likely for the purpose of showing my workout progress. They were taken earlier of 2014.

[California Dolphin]

San Francisco had its annual Bay To Breakers run and here is one of the pics and a vid with lots of bare thighs!!!:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jivacandra/14030560217/in/photolist-nnQhJD-nEi6RJ-nEatyL-nG6HTz-nE8JCX-nnzbVh-nE5XLB-nCggKu-nnP6Qh-6q94Ru-4PbGX8-nEa72C-nCh1WE-nE72Ny-nCgUBL-nnPYu4-nnPKj5-nnPMUC-nEiwz1-nEnf5a-nnUcbM-nnSqF7-nnTz3Y-nnTTJy-nE9KXE-nnSAGv-nCjTHW-nnTfh9-nE52dD-nnTeKu-nGaAeD-nEmiFE-nG9UtX-nnTUia-nGaUxn-nEmbru-nEnzux-nnSw9c-nnTnHc-nCkTmb-nnSiCE-nnTviy-nEnug6-nE6kDV-nnSB3w-nEn9rg-nnTjD6-nnTWAs-nEoaDV-nEnEvp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzGF6EsjwS0

[Byron]

What a great selection of imaginative garb in the vid - do the little red capes represent something like Captain America?

[California Dolphin]

Here's an update on the subject from the vantage point of what's the latest and greatest in fashion for cross country running: :D

http://www.trinethunder.com/sports/mxc/2014-15/releases/20140407wyupbf

http://www.calvin.edu/sports/news/C509/

http://www.cumberlandspatriots.com/roster/0/4.php