are speedos just for gays ( Or do threy want them to be)

[louis]

Referring to the tread Are you ashamed of your speedo fetish, I agree with PSDave that posted that he doesnt agree gay parades, but I agree less wene he says that the norme for gays on there parades is wearing speedos, of course they also where many attires of all sorts, but you see them in lots of speedos.
For example just go to Chris Geary.com and view the hundreds of pictures of gay guys in speedos, well. lets put it all in a nut shell, ALL THE SUBJECTS are full of of guys in speedos and all the videos are of speedos (Note the gay parades).
Dont miss especially the gay parades in London and outher citys in the UK.
Now the question is DO GAY GUYS WANT SPEEDOS TO BE ONLY FOR THEM, I wouldnt be surprised if most would say yes considering so much of them with speedos on in parades (check on also this years Sydneys Mardi Gras parade on you tube, the lifesavers with pride are by the dozens in there red aussubum supplyd SLSC suits.
My excuses for my poor composition and mispellings being a french language guy.

[PSDave]

I avoid the parades because I have no understanding of why gays feel that they have to portray themselves in way that almost says they want to be segregated from the population and not fit in.
Also, something to consider. The day after the Pride Parades, White Parties etc all the photos in the paper or on TV news show guys in speedos, tutus and drag. They may have been the only ones in the parade, but they are the only images the str8 population see of the gay community. When so many of the images of the gay man is in a speedo -- is anyone surprised the suit has been "Gay"?

[louis]

I agree with you . (David LOL)
Never the less many non gays do like the gay parades because of the eye candy, of course its not the guys in them that they focus on its the speedos there are wearing.

[dorcas3]

Speedos are bathing gear! Why would you want to dance up the street or otherewise wearing them. That image does nothing to promote good feelings to others who are uncomfortable around such displays of in your face performances. Speedos are the only practical attire if you are serious about your swimming and attendent activity around a pool or on the beach or patio.

[Crail]

dorcas3 - very well said. However, for those, like me, who are non-swimmers, swim briefs are a "fetish" that brings pleasure; but not "in-your-face" way as in gay parades.

[Torchwatch]

Speedo wearing whether we are straight or gay is essentially a masculine activity. Those who run and swim in their speedos want to look and feel fit.
I wonder how many camp and effeminate gay guys wear speedos on the beach and in the pool. perhaps they are more likely to be wearing frilly panties and other women's clothing in more private places.
Since the camp and fem guys are liable to be bullied whatever they do they tend to act outrageously when they do go out. A Gay Pride Parade becomes a festival of the outrageous and the exaggerated, the biggest queen the campiest camp and the most nearly naked.
A lot of straight acting gay guys avoid homophobes rather than be confronted by them by staying undercover. The Pride Parades are an embarrassment to them and if they see gay guys camping it up in speedos on a parade it brings their own wearing of speedos into question.
Remember other paraders will also be dressed as the various Village People. We don't get cowboys. red indians, police officers, construction workers, soldiers and sailors complaining about being depicted in gay parades, so be tolerant of the camp gays in their speedos on their big day Out.

[louis]

I FULLY AGREE WITH dorcas3 AND Crail, i want apeedos to be worn by everyone gays included but not by only them.
If I am right then they are avoiding ALL to wear them even gays that want to but hesitate to because of the gays that think so....

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Gay parades do more damage to the image of speedos or brief suits than anything else. If you watch one of those, is it any wonder why a str8 guy would never want to be seen in a speedo type suit in public? I can't say I blame them. Some of the crap in those parades is downright tasteless and crass. To be sure, just as some of the str8 crap we see in the Mardi Gras parade in NOLA. Now I'll duck while everyone shoots at me.

[louis]

I dont think you will have to duck,lol we all seem to agree here btw, a big quac quac to you.
Seriousely, take a look at the this and last years gY Parades in London UK ,
Bristol UK and many outher gay parades, on you tube and count th speedos. Its a wonder they dont call them the gay speedo parade.
Now ..now dont get me wrong, its ok for our gay friends to wear speedos but let ALL guys that like them wear them to without fear of being though as gay if they are not.

[California Dolphin]

Other than the Gay parades, I've never seen any guys inappropriately wearing a speedo while walking down a city street or the aisle at the supermarket.

So what's the hang up about guys wearing a speedo in an appropriate place such as a beach or pool? :confused:

[Byron]

We seem to have been down this road many times. Who would have thought that the little garment we would put on as kids without complications, for the practical purpose of taking our bodies into water for exercise, would one day become the subject of so much social angst about how appropriate it is to wear in certain surroundings and how it might have beeen commandeered to represent a badge of honor and/or protest by a minority group in parades to celebrate a particular sexual orientation.

I was surprised to see the degree of agreement here about gay pride parades and will add my view that on the whole they have done more harm than good in some of those "in your face" displays - no doubt to the cynical enjoyment of bigots who are given gratis a reinforcement of their prejudices.

To answer the question, yes - I think there are some gays who consider the speedo "uniform" to be reserved as appropriate for them only to wear.
There is something in the human psyche where there is a compulsion to declare one's origins in public, in much the same way that a veteran may wish to have his regimental badge sewn to the breast of his blazer (though the latter will do so for rather different reasons of course).

[Byron]

:) some related illustrations:

Here is a lifeguard in his uniform* (note the splendid little cap) on Brighton Beach 100 years ago (1903 - and rather daring for the time I would have thought). The signs on the beach declare that "Neither indecent bathing suits nor immodest deportment will be tolerated".
(I love the word deportment - does anyone use it today ?)

*pic colorised I would add.

http://fineartamerica.com/featured/lifeguard-andrew-fare.html

Coming up to date here are the Lifesavers With Pride marching in the Sydney Mardi Gras and where they are described as all in their red speedos - "the iconic uniform" of this event.

http://www.pinkguide.com/Mardi_Gras_Red_Speedo

To finish, the Sicilians don't seem to bother about these inhibitions:

http://blog.amielsius.com/2011/04/welcome-to-speedo-land/


PS to Louis: You forgot Manchester and Brighton

[louis]

lol I didnt forget Manchester and Br... I put etc. n est ce pas lol.
I must thank and congratulate you for your contrubution im making this subject as clear and understandable as you wrote.

[Byron]

:) LOL - you got us going again on le petit maillot de bain.
I didn't see etc. mais il n'y a pas quoi mon ami

[louis]

CaliforniaDolphin, you dont get the point, what is referred to here is-are speedos just for gays (OR DO THEY WANT THEM TO BE)
There is no hang up here about guys wearing speedos at any beach, pool , or at any water sports facilities whatsoever.
As many sead speedos are meant for swimming, diving, water polo, and lap swimming and just for a everyday pleasure swimming, even at the gym.
You say that you have never seen a guy in a speedo down the street, well I have and many outhers have, one cant swim or dive or play water polo on a street, to me it just seems like wene I see one he has SPEEDOS ARE JUST FOR ME TO WEAR syndrome. Gay guys contortionning andgo go dancing in gay parades (spreading there legs) are you going to tell me that its ok....all kinds of people are present at such parades even kids,gay parades are very colorful and joyful to watch but there IS A LIMIT TO MODESTY AND INNAPROPRIATE GESTURES and that is stright to the piont on the line, what will it be next going to church in a speedo I suppose...
Iv even seen here in Monttreal in a gay parade a gay acting an immitation of kissing another gay guys bulge in a very skimpy sexy speedo his mouth only 1 inch or so from his bulge.Would you term that as appropriate...
Hell they seem to be all yelling SEE MY SPEEDO THEY ARE ONLY FOR US.
Hopefully this question is made clear all wearing a speedo is ok and even better for us speedo lovers but....................

[PSDave]

Unfortunately I have to disagree on that. I have seen very obviously gay guys at the market shopping in speedos. I also remember someone posting before a gay guy in a speedo going into a family restaurant. When asked to leave he started screaming gay bashing. Ironically, the manager asking him to leave was gay too.
When I talked to a friend that owns a gay clothing store that carries about every brand of speedo suit available. Of course he also has the board shorts. He told me more and more gays are buying the board shorts so they don't fall into the stereotype the speedos currently have.

[Byron]

When was the restaurant incident ?

Was it posted here or on the old fantasy board ?

[Byron]

The Sydney perspective:
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/restaurants-and-bars/negotiating-the-restaurant-dress-code-20110303-1bfmb.html

[dorcas3]

Where in hell did the idea of respect go. Like it or not there are limits to how one conducts themselves in public and wearing speedos and thongs as a dare is completely out of order. If you get your rocks off by wearing speedos there is nothing wrong with that-but there are limits to the time of courtesy that we all owe society!

[Byron]

OK - in my concientious dedication to the cause of the speedo (sorry - mens swim suit) forum I went in search of some skimpy suits and lewd behaviour in the Sydney Mardi Gras Parade - but none could I find.

I picked up on Peter Madden and last year's Christian Democrat Party's demand for it to be banned (after some thirty years of the annual event) but I saw it being pointed out that his claimed 20000 Christian supporters intended to be protesting along the route would be well outnumbered by 100000 coming to watch the parade and join in the fun.

I even endured his video in the call of duty, in expectation of some speedos at the end - but no, disappointed again - it seems to be just a repeat of all that religious fundamentalism already preached a thousand times in the USA. Anyway, this is the blog: http://www.samesame.com.au/news/local/6345/Christian-Democrats-declare-war-on-Mardi-Gras.htm

Having nodded off and needing some light relief I discovered instead Sydney's only gay and lesbian water polo club and that was much more entertaining. The mens' Red Team of the Sydney Stingers is shown here
posing for a pic in their rather nice team suits - custom-made as usual no doubt but who has good pic enlargement on his computer to discern the
logo at the right hip ? (my wild guess is Ducko or Turbo).
Anyway, enjoy: http://www.sydneystingers.org.au/

[louis]

I have known the Sydney stingers water polo club for a long time, BTW tHERE SUITS SUPPLYERS ARE aussieboys.com au they supply the club members suits.

[PSDave]

That happened two or three years ago and it was posted it on the old board --

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Totally agree that the conduct at many gay parades is out of line, just as it is at many str8 events (Mardi Gras is a great example). However, while I realize that lots of over the top gays (the ones I actually think of as the f----t word) love to turn my swim suit of choice into a sex object, I frankly don't give a crap and just keep wearing the suits I like. To the point of an earlier post, not out of line, not to simply get hooked up (although getting checked ou is nice) or laid, and not intentionally in the wrong place.

Although I will admit to wearing my triathlon Speedo (the kind with the Speedo on the butt) and tri top into a Dunkin Donuts once after a triathlon when I just did not feel like screwing around to get changed. The race, however, was right nearby, and it was very celar by the numbers all over my arms and legs that I had just raced. No one seemed to care and I got a few questions on how the race went, and one nice compliment on how fit I was... that from a guy!

Any way, just wear what you want, enjoy it, and don't give this gay thing another thought.... and also forget the whole speedo friendly beach crap.. if there is water consider it speedo friendly.

[Byron]

Merci Louis - and what prompted them to have that unusual interlocking ring design for their suits ?

[California Dolphin]

Louis
I believe you're getting your "Undies (actually your speedo) in a bundle" over speedos being a gay thing and subject to abuse by the gay community or just plain exhibitionists.

I live in San Francisco which is one of the major gay cities of the world and unless I go to the Castro area, I don't see anyone or anything overtly gay. In fact I live in the Marina District which is considered a Str8 neighborhood.

Yes there are guys (like myself) who swim in a speedo and like the look of other guys who do so. I will openly admit that I get erotic pleasure from it. However it's more of a sensual pleasure from being almost naked in the water than an expression of "XXX" gay tendendcies.

However, from your somewhat negative posts on this particular topic, I suspect you're not entirely comfortable with your own emotions on the subject either.

The fact that you frequently visit an erotically oriented site like this indicates you do have a fascination with the subject of speedos and guys who wear them and this may be an expression of your "gay side". However as the Bible says "He who is without sin cast the first stone" and gayness (to what ever extent you are) is perfectly OK with me.

However as I previously stated I haven't seen a guy wearing a speedo (or going naked) outside of the pool or on a beach in other area of the city except the Castro. Other than some people's revulsion to guys wearing speedos in Gay parades, speedophobia is just like the fear of thunder.

[PSDave]

Question. When the Gay Pride parade happens in SF and a large number of guys are dancing along the parade route in speedos, guys along the route watching are in speedos what do you see in the paper. Pictures of the gays in their speedos. That is the point several of us are making. When gays wear them in parades etc it is a portrayal of the gay man. When every newspaper coverage of a gay event shows the guys in speedos it is only natural str8 guys to want to avoid wearing the suits, even if they would like to, because the public in general, thanks to the pics of gay events, sees the speedo as a gay thing.
Speedos may not just be for gays, but outside of competitive swimming the major majority of guys in speedos are gay or over 50 - or both. TV and movies have picked up on this image and also put gays in speedos when they are at the pool or beach. It is a case of perception. Gay Pride = guys in speedos. Gay men in movies/TV = guys in speedos. Speedo = Gay. It may not be fact, but it is how the speedo and men wearing them are perceived.

[Byron]

Excellent equation there to neatly illustrate the situation and, as any p.r man will tell you, perception is all.

The prior Biblical quotation ("let" is missing at the beginning) is rather unfortunate as "sin" comes into it and it begs the question who exactly has been sinning in the first place?.
I will therefore substitute a journalistic one : "never let the facts get in the way of a good story".

(Btw, gramatically you can't have a major majority)

[louis]

California Dolphin,
I cant quite understand your first paragraphe please precise.
Allso your second paragraphe, but if its what I think what it means:
I am pecfectly at ease in my speedos.
I neverhave bene to a gay bar, night club, or gay beach resort or pool,if I ever go I wont hesitate one single minute to wear the most skimpy suit or shorts I have.
I would wear my speedos at any beach , pool or at any water sports facility gay or not.
But I would certainly not take part in any gay parade contortionning my body while spreading my legs, doing sexual natured gestures.
This being sead the reason is simply because I respect non gay spectators , plus gay spectators that hesitate to wear there speedos exactly because of what they see, allso because of kids that may watch the parade seeng things that they certainly should not see
And because my beleaf is that there is outher ways to promote homosexuality and contrubute so that may generaly be accepted as human beings so that all in general will accepte that being gay is just a way of life like any outher.And gays and heteros... canperfectly live in harmony together with respect and dignity.
lets admit it those that do such things in gay parades are cetainly not helping the cause.
This is not a question of being a religious fanatic like the traditionnalist fondamentalist we so often see in the USA, or being any kind of pudish exagerated person , its just common sense showing respect for people that are different then us and if the gay people want outher people to treat them with rrespect and dignity well they should give examples by not demonstrating exorbitant demonstrations in there parades but its perfectly ok in there own environments of course.
You quote JOHN 8-7 IN THE BIBLE, He who has not sin cast the first stone .... what does that have to do with this.
Put it all in a nut shell, speedos atr ok, its ok to wear them, its ok to like them, its ok to ... have fun in them but at the right time and places.

[Byron]

Here's a UK blogspot where the guy should perhaps have contributed to this forum on the current discussions.
Much of it we have heard already but he does mention ridicule of his purchase by friends and speedo-wearing associated with homosexuality.

At the end he also tells us that stores in Oz still sell mens' speedos 3-2 against boardies.

http://aipetcher.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/a-life-in-a-year-17th-august-budgie-smugglers-speedo-swimwear/

[Byron]

Louis: I must of course let CD speak for himself but I will attempt an interpretation of his post:

Undies in a bundle could also be knickers in a twist, ie an obsessive attachment to analysing the "ownership" of speedos by those in the gay culture.

John 8:7 has to be read with "......an expression of your gay side..... " and
".........perfectly OK with me........"

In other words "I have faults of my own so I do not sit in judgment of some gay persons' activities" (this, remember, is a reflection also on the different neighborhoods of SF).

Just for the record we all know that the Book of John records Christ's words to the crowd at the intended execution of the adulterous woman.

In the King James Bible*: "He that is without sin among you let him first cast a stone at her"

*In the New American Standard Bible a slight variation of emphasis:
"..........let him be the first to throw........"

[California Dolphin]

On the subject of gays pushing the envelope a bit too far, here's a prime example:

http://www.outsports.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43338

As I've previously said, I don't give a Damn In Hell about the sexual orientation of consenting adults, but please use common sense.!!! ;)

CD

[Byron]

The more this goes on the less I understand what you and Louis are arguing about - you seem to agree between you but you've hardly chosen a very good example by submitting this incident to prove your point about reckless gay behaviour.

The facts of the case are misrepresented all over the place for a start
(never let them spoil a good story of course).

There were supposed to be complaints from residents (plural)
but then it is just one guy at the dock who has observed something
on a very large cruise ship . With so many decks at what height exactly
was their cabin? (telescope required to see such detail perhaps?)
To my knowledge cabin balconies even on large ships are small enclosed
spaces - hardly comparable to a parade of hundreds on an open city boulevard where there may be similar numbers
of spectators, including children, as Louis points out.
The ship is after all at its quay in the port - it is not parked up in the
middle of a city residential area.

The weakness of the case is illustrated by the dropping of the buggery charge in court.

[louis]

This will be my last post this issue concerning.
First of all enough has bene sead , most responses seems to agree with my opinion on this matter, Only one seemes to not agree Torchwatch whom I fully respects his opinion.
Logically I dont think that the Republican Dominican authorities take pleasure in arresting anyone just for the pleasure of doing it, surely they investigated and found plausible reasons to proceed to arrest the two persons involved, its good that they just have bene fined and not getting a prison sentence for what they have accused of.
This having bene sead, enough have bene sead to prouve my opinion on this matter and the case ahould be closed.
Permit me to add that the two persons involved may have not bene aware they they could be seen from ship to shore.
Anyway as far as Im concerned I dont see any need to go on with this thread.
Speedo on guys with outher threds about speedos.

[Byron]

:) As a finale, does anyone want to see the scene of the crime?
(the pic is worth a few clicks to see what might be happening on those nice cabin balconies).
Anyway, at least the cruisers come out with a 73% welcome in the poll.

http://dominicanewsonline.com/news/all-news/general/dno-poll-should-dominica-welcome-gay-cruise-passenger/

[louis]

Ref: byron s post, click on pic to enlarge.

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Apologies to louis as this is way off the topic of his posted question (errors for which Byron has chided others in the past)... none of these guys were wearing swimsuits (if they had they would probably not have been arrested). However, i could care less if u r gay, str8, purple, or green with pink polkadots...if u walk out on a balcony on a cruise ship at port or a hotel and are stark naked (as they admit they did), you are just being a dumb ass asking for trouble. Right there these two clowns blew it. Add to that if they did (they do not admit this) engage in any form of sexual satisfaction they not only blew it, they were so far over the line they deserve what they got. I have no damn sympathy. The result is not gay bashing... it is is accurate bashing. They are damn lucky they got away with only what they got fined... fight with the law and the law will win. Beyond that, no one wants to see their sexual escapades... gay str8 or otherwise... it is why there are drapes on the windows. Keep your peepee in your pants (speedo) or keep your peepee inside your room! Or take the risk u will get what u deserve!

Speedo on... but lets keep it all in good taste!

[Byron]

Yes, yes, yes, - the condemnation is all very predictable after the post of 03-23-12, so what are we learning that's new ?

The percentage of averages for human fallability must surely indicate there are likely to be a couple of idiots in a cruise passenger list of over 2000 and the law of the country concerned took its course in this case.

It seems that you accept that a lot of gay guys adopt the speedo as a sex object but you don't care a crap about that. At the same time however they are labelled "over the top" and the f----t word applies to them (please spell fully so that we may be in no doubt about the description you wish to apply).
Btw, your shyness in etymology here seems to be at odds with a clear "serves you right" emphasis and "you're lucky to get away with it as you did".

We seem to have had some (mis)quotations in this thread but I will finish with an appposite one from William Shakespeare (Queen Gertrude in Hamlet): "The lady doth protest too much methinks".

[California Dolphin]

I don't see why anyone who takes the time to repeatedly visit a quasi-gay erotic site like Mensswimsuitboard.com would use the term "Faggot" (yes I'll say the the whole word) to describe anyone else who's fascinated by other guy's posing in speedo style swim suits -or anyone living an overtly gay life for that matter.

Scientific research indicates that sexuality exists as a "spectrum" (not one or the other extreme) and most guys fit on the average center of a "Bell" curve. ***

While people at the extremely gay end of the spectrum (who some prefer to describe as "Fags") view guys in speedos as extremely sexually exciting, those at the center of the curve (like myself) also view them as exciting too. Accordingly, I'm not going to condemn anyone else as being a "Fag" for endulging in their aspect of gay oriented behavior.

CD

*** For more info on the subject of the spectrum of sexual behavior, Google the phrase "Masters & Johnson" or "Kinsey Report". ;)

[Byron]

http://www.sebringsil.com/speedowear

I haven't revisited M&J and Kinsey so far but David Sebringsil cropped up again in some recent browsing.

He always writes at length* and I was reminded that although he produced this blog five years ago how little anything has changed - if what we have read in recent posts here is anything to go by.

*For those who don't know DS and don't want to stick with it all through I recommend just the section on Feminists and the Gay Guy Thing.

[sebbie]

THanks for the support, Byron

Sebbie

[Byron]

;) Always wondered about a Sebbie/Sebrigsil connection

[Byron]

LOL - I wonder whether Louis realises he has provoked the most replies on this forum (39 and 40 posts).
Mea culpa if I am continuing off topic but I do like the third and fourth paragraphs of Mustang Bobby's post here from elsewhere:

http://www.shakesville.com/2008/06/gay-pride-day.html

[Byron]

Gay Mardi Gras :
Thought I would watch this one through to witness some disgraceful behaviour but really disappointed - not a speedo to be seen .
Anyone want to see an over-hyped gay commentator snuggle between some boobs? (that's about as exciting as it gets).

http://guidetogay.com/videos/gtg/video/264-sydney-mardi-gras-parade-2012

[louis]

Yes Im know 30-40.
No wonder no speedos the video is all spectators and interviews.

[Byron]

:) Looks as if it was wet too - though I guess that should be no problem for Lifesavers With Pride.

[Byron]

I know I shall be shot for being off topic but the non-gay cruise ship Balmoral has sailed from Southampton today exactly 100 years after Titanic.

She will follow exactly the same route by calling at Cherbourg and in Ireland
before crossing the Atlantic to New York , with a brief stop over the site of the sinking (no arrests are anticipated in NYC)

http://dailyecho.co.uk/news/9637970.Cruise_ship_leaving_port_for_Titanic_voyag e/