Estim and Penis pumps

[sebbie]

Estim and Penis pumps

As many of you know, I had my prostate removed in February of 2014, and I have been a cancer-free male since then according to all the tests. One of the side effects of the surgery is that it often leaves a guy will a lessened or even no ability to have an erection. This sometimes tends to improve over time, but sometimes not. Generally, pills such as Viagra or Cialis are prescribed, but these frequently have little effect. Another option is to inject your penis directly with the same pill chemical using a needle, every time you want to get an erection. This seemed to me to be a pain in more ways than one.

A third option is to employ a penis pump, a vacuum device that makes you hard. I’ve already written some about my experiments using an inexpensive penis pump I found on ebay. A decent quality pump can be purchased for as little as $15. But, given the number of vendors it is clear that the market for these pumps extends a lot further than just as a device to treat ED in those recovering from prostate surgery. They have become “recreational” devices that can be used by any guy including those who can get a hard –on without one in an instant. There are gobs of pornhub videos where guys demonstrate the use of the pumps in vivid detail. Here is the pump I have that I really like.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bigger-Penis-Male-Growth-Power-Vacuum-Men-Enhancement-Enlarger-Penis-Pump-USA/263896142795?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649


I have also been experimenting with a fourth option, called an e-stimulator, or estim for short. Interestingly, estim units are also being studied by doctors for the treatment of erectile dysfunction as another alternative to pills, shots and vacuum pumps. Much like the pumps, these units are sold in large numbers from ebay, and a basic setup can be had for under $20. And like the pumps, lots of these are being sold to guys for pure recreational use. And, of course, there are plenty of pornhub videos demonstrating their use.

An inexpensive estim unit consists of an estim transmitter that typically runs on two AAA batteries, plus a series of different accessories. Here is a link to the one I ordered.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Electro-Shock-Torpedo-Device-E-Stim-Male-Pulse-Plug-Small-Sets-Loops-Therapy-US/163972794579?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

The transmitter takes the low-level 3 volts of current and makes it into something higher in voltage but even less current. There is a control that allows you to vary the current level continuously, plus a number of buttons to set different patterns. At the lower settings, the current is more like a tickle, feeling similar to a vibrator. As the level is increased, at the higher levels it feels a bit like a sting.

Now, keep in mind that the impulses from the brain that start an erection are electronic and in some ways the electronics in the estim are stimulating the nerves that cause an erection to occur. The pornhub estim videos show lots of different guys using these machines usually eventually to ejaculate. In my case, that isn’t going to happen. But I have also discovered messing around with the device I do start to get a hard-on, which is very good for any guy who has lost his prostate. Still, you don’t need to be in ED recovery to have fun with this.

Now the accessories vary. Mine included two current carrying silicone rings that go around the penis and the glans. Some of the kits include 4 rings. My kit also included a small butt plug, which I was squeamish about trying initially. But I soon discovered that I did not have to actually stick it into me to make it work so long as I got it between my glutes it would stay in place and provide some interesting stimulation as well.

If you order one of these, pay close attention to the specific accessories that comes with it. Some of the kits include sounding rods designed to be inserted into the penis like a catheter. I am way squeamish about doing that. There are also current-carrying tabs like what would be used for an EKG. And there are pairs of nipple clips. Also available are accessory kits for this unit that are designed specifically for women. And, of course the guy can ask the sexual partner to control the estim device for him, mixing the settings up in a way that adds not only stimulation but an element of surprise. What a way to insert something new into a marriage that had become a bit, err, boring, by employing two units each controlled by the partner. Can you now understand why these devices why have become big sellers on ebay?

Assuming you want to run your first experiment solo, I would recommend the unit and accessories I ordered, as this will give you a good idea as to whether this is for you.

My nearly every night routine now is to start with the estim device and play with that until I get a bit of a hard-on from the repeated stimulation. I follow that up by crawling into the penis pump and doing some edging by repeatedly raising and lowering the vacuum, recognizing that psychologically I am already feeling pretty good after getting the estim treatment. Once out of the pump I am quite hard and it is really fun at that point to use some water based lube all over my penis, but I particularly am fond of how my lubed-up glans area feels and how touch-sensitive it has now suddenly become. There are some way neat things going on now.

Usually I just edge, bringing myself to the verge of an orgasm and then backing off. Occasionally I fall over the edge depending on how good my glans is feeling on any particular night. And if I had a sexual partner I would be in good shape to engage in partner sex, thanks to the help from my pump and estim device. Another option would be to crawl into a swim brief and play with aided erect self until I went into an orgasm.

OK, at age 72 I no longer have all the options I had for getting a hard-on like I did when I was 15. But when I was 15 I tended to often look at erections as nuisances as opposed to something that can and should be savored. And I have learned more than a few stunts to enjoy that I hadn’t uncovered when I was 15.

Still, I am recommending both an inexpensive penis pump and an inexpensive estim device for younger, healthy males as another way of exploring who you are and where the psychosexual hot spots are located. You may run into something you really enjoy doing to, with and for yourself and maybe even your sexual partner as well, but I leave that for you.

Sebbie

[sebbie]

My assorted thoughts on estim devices and penis pumps after 2 months

I have been “messing around “ with a small, inexpensive estim device and been using that in conjunction with an equally inexpensive penis pump (links to actual items in posts above). My readers in part keep reading me I think because they enjoy jerking off while wearing not only swim briefs, but compression shorts and tights, jock straps and other gear that fits really snug in the groin. That a guy likes to do this is not exactly the kind of stuff a lot of guys would like to make public for an assortment of reasons. A lot of guys are really hung up on the idea that “real” sex with a partner is the only sex a guy dare admit enjoying, and the rest of the stuff needs to be kept down there as a deep dark secret never to be revealed.

Heck, I freely admit that I have enjoyed all sorts of ways of jerking off ever since I entered puberty. I’ve enjoyed my own body immensely as the years have gone buy. If some guys find saying something similar to be embarrassing, then maybe just maybe they should think about it some more. But for me, being able to jerk off with intense pleasure via a host of different ways is a very important part of who I am.

As all of you know, my prostate was removed via nerve-sparing robotic surgery in February of 2014. I have been in good health since then, but I have had to find some different ways of pleasuring myself in order to get back some of the same feelings and sensations down there that I had enjoyed previously.

Now most guys in the same situation I have been in are struggling with the idea of whether or not they can get enough of an erection in order to be able to still have copulatory sex with their wives or other regular sexual partners, and urologists mostly treat patients post surgery as if this is somehow the goal. Still, I have encountered widowed guys who complain that they are unhappy post-surgery because jerking off is no longer that much fun.

And for me, getting back to a semblance of pre-surgery normal was a slow slog. I found the clothing items I enjoyed cramming myself into pre-surgery also worked to a degree as rehab devices. But what else?

That is when I got to thinking about trying a penis pump. If this seemed to work for a portion of the guys that wanted to have intercourse, maybe the strategy could be adapted such that the use of the penis pump could a “prelude” to more intense manual jerking off. Guess what? The simple, inexpensive pump worked quite well in this respect , thank you. First, the pump is applied in multiple vacuum-release cycles to get me as hard as possible. Now some guys say if they apply too much penis pump vacuum they go right into an orgasm while still contained in the pump. But this has never happened to me. Its tough at age 72 to have an orgasm while having nothing touching the nerves on the underside of the penis.

Then I got to digging around some more and looking at the little estim devices. These devices consist of a small electronic box that contains two ordinary AAA batteries. Electronics is is used to lower the current level while at the same time raising the voltage far above the 3 volts of the batteries. Then more electronics is used to come up with various current pulse patterns and a continuous control allows the user to fine tune the “kick” the machine gives. The current goes into conducting silicone rings. Some gius put one ring around the scrotum and another around the glans of the penis, but I simply put the other ring around the penis base. A minimum of two rings are needed to complete the stimulation circuit. Then turn on the machine and start experimenting with current levels and patterns.

At low levels, the effect is very similar to how you would feel if you applied a hand-held vibrator to the underside of your penis. (How could I know THAT?) At higher levels the repeated shocks can start to feel like a bit of a sting, and the tricky part is finding the exact level of current that stimulates the erection nerves while not being uncomfortable—but there are settings where a guy will probably say “I’m really liking that!”

For me, the best sessions have been when I begin with the estim device to get me to feeling horny, and then at some point stop that device and slip on the penis pump. The penis pump seems to have an easier time getting me big and hard when the prelude is the estim. The estim device I have also includes a small butt plug to electrically stimulate the anal area using the same control module.

Male anatomy comes into play here because guys know that having anal stimulation messes with the prostate that is adjacent, and further, many of the nerves that control erections surround the prostate, so the anal stimulation is another way of potentially boosting erectile function. I suspect this approach would be even more enjoyable for guys who still have intact prostates, but the alternate device works well for me too. I like that too.

After getting out of the estim device and messing with the penis pump stimulation for awhile, at some point I slip a silicone cock ring off the pump sheath and down to the base of my now quite erect penis. I coat my penis with a gel lube, usually just a shower gel. Some guys in attempting to use a penis pump as a prelude to copulation claim they almost immediately lose the erection once the penis pump is off. I have not found this to be a problem, and manually stimulating myself gelled up with the penis pump off seems to make me harder not softer—as in I am really enjoying this now. At this point I can either stimulate myself to a very pleasant dry orgasm, or I can keep edging along just below that point. Either is way fun. Maybe not exactly the same kind of masturbation fun I was having when I was, say 13 and just discovering my body, but still a lot of fun nonetheless. I’m horny, and, at least for a 72-year old, quite hard. A fine place to be!

I was just watching a video where a urologist was talking about studies underway on whether or not it would work to implant electrodes in post-prostectomy patients and give the patient the ability to use low level electrical current to stimulate the nerves that control erections, and how that would compare with options more generally used by such as the ED pills. But it immediately occurred to me that with this little estim device I am running much the same experiment on myself.

Had I not had the prostate surgery I would probably never messed around with either of these devices as tools for jerking off. The question a lot of my readers might have is why they should be reading all of this given they are still good on the ED front and have intact prostates? Well, MOST of these devices are sold as simple sex toys. For guys without sex partners both items introduce new dimensions into the activity of jerking off. Will these devices work as jerk-off aids for healthy patients with good erectile function? I am confident that they will. Are there any cautions or risks associated with these devices? The only caution I can think of is that when using the penis pump you need to make sure that the shield fits snuggly enough around your penis so your balls don’t inadvertently get drawn into the pump alongside your penis. That can quickly get very painful, and perhaps result in injury, but you will yelp with pain and know enough to stop very quickly if this happens. Otherwise, both of these seem to be great ways to better enjoy your jerk off sessions. I’m having fun with both of them.

[sheerthongingit]

Enjoyed reading your post and it was spot on, I to have both and enjoy my estim a lot. Need to find one with more power and rechargeable cause batts don't last long enough and they loose there zip. I freeze my cum and use it for lube on my butt plug. Hard to get in since it's 2". Use both at once and feels awesome.

[sebbie]

I was using my estim device last night, and thinking to myself that this is about as much fun as a guy can possibly have by himself for a $15 outlay. These devices have a neat way of getting a guy hard but generally not so hard that a guy goes into an orgasm, at least not immediately. Estim devices are sold as massage units to be used on other body parts as well, and an alternative to a hand-held vibrator. Guys used to employing a hand-held vibrator should find the estim to be most interesting keeping in mind that normal muscle movement is the consequence of electrical stimulation as well.

At first, a guy’s penis doesn’t know quite what to make of the sudden burst of extra electrical stimulation, but then it soon kicks back and settles in to start “enjoying” the situation it is in. Finding the correct amount of current (which you control continuously”) is part of the puzzle—too much current and it starts to feel a bit like a sting, but too little and you will feel just a slight tingle but not enough to really do anything. Like so much in a guy’s sexual being, the optimum is not too much stimulation but not too little—with the ideal amount you will know as stuff will start to “grow” on you. I’m sure you will find the sweet spot that you like very much and keep wanting to come back to that spot over and over.

Enjoy!

[sebbie]

Some tips on trying and enjoying a penis pump.

I have reached the conclusion that EVERY guy should try a penis pump as part of a male ritual that involves getting in touch with your body. Penis pumps are not just for the guys who are suffering to a degree with Erectile Dysfunction, but are a way for any guy who wants to have some interesting sexual fun. The guys who will likely really find penis pumps interesting are the guys who are single males, living alone and in particular the guys who think they have tried about everything there is to try under the category of Plain Ordinary Masturbation (POM). In short, the penis pump adds a new dimension to jerking off—a dimension I think most guys are going to like very much once the technique is learned.

First, as schemes for having sexual fun go without having issues or problems that present a down side this one is all but issue free. No guy has ever made a girl pregnant while wearing a penis pump. The pump is capable of producing a wonderful sexual “high” without any of the issues or problems associated with, say, taking drugs. It is nearly impossible to injure yourself with penis pump play (though more about that one later). And it is cheap. A decent penis pump can be had for around $20 on eBay though you may want to add a few accessories.

A basic penis pump consists of a long clear polycarbonate tube about 8-10 inches in length and 2 inches in diameter. At the top on the tune will be a connection for a manual or an electronic vacuum device that is used to create a vacuum in the tube. The bottom of the tube is open, but accepts a silicone sheath that goes on the end with a hole for your penis to be inserted. These sheaths come in a variety of styles and hole sizes, and presumably a sheath with a larger hole is for a guy with a larger flaccid penis.

However, in order to successfully use a penis pump, the sheath has to have a small enough hole to seal tightly around the base of a guy’s penis, which means a properly-sized sheath is the one that has a hole somewhat SMALLER that what a guy THINKS” he needs. In putting on the pump the first step is to use the tip of your finger to cover the edges of the sheath hole with a water based lube such as Astroglide® Also treat the outer edges of the sheath with the same lube. This will help because once you are inside the tube you need an air-tight fit. Once you are in, press the coated sheath end firmly against your groin.

I much prefer the manual pumps to the ones employing electricity to create the vacuum. Why? Because I get a much finer control over the amount of vacuum I get without the pump seemingly running away from me uncontrollable. At its core level this is a male masturbation method, and the technique here is always slow and deliberate.

As you pump, your penis knows it is in an odd but interesting predicament. The polycarbonate tube fits far too loose to provide any direct stimulation that way. But because of the vacuum you created, blood is rushing into your penis and you can see yourself growing in length and girth and your penis getting a reddish color. This is, well, interesting, though most guys do not get to a point where they involuntarily ejaculate inside the pump. What happens to you the first time you do this I cannot predict with certainty.

Every pump has a little air release valve that immediately releases the vacuum even if the pump is still in place which means you can go through several cycles in a single session of growing and then collapsing a bit. Size wise no two guys are the same but in my case I think growing to 5 ½-6 inches is doing very well. Feels great! Looks great!

Now for a caution. Make sure the hole in the sheath is small enough to fit very snuggly around your flaccid penis. If not, it is possible for not only your penis but part of your balls to get vacuumed right into the pump. Aside from being quite painful but you could also injure your private parts. Now there are porn videos where guys INTENTIONALLY do this as part of a CBT act, and these are painful to watch. If you sense any pain in pumping yourself chances are there are body parts are getting accidentally pulled into the tube other than your penis. If that happens release the vacuum. The permanent fix for the problem is a sheath with a smaller hole.

In assembling a penis pump, the guys who are unable to sustain an erection after removing the pump like to place an undersized silicone C-ring directly over the top of the sheath before getting into the pump, and then once they are erect snap the ring down from the sheath and on to the penis base. But this works well if you are just a guy who likes to wear a silicone C-ring though the cautions say don’t do this for longer than 30 minutes or so.

At this point C-ring now in place I release the vacuum and remove the pump and sheath. Coming out of the pump I am really hard (at least for a 72 y/o!) Time for some POM. Personally I have had no difficulties keeping a hard on w/o the pump in place. I like to lube up my entire “reddish” penis using just a shower gel soap, kick back and enjoy myself with my hands and rubbing my erect and soapy penis against my legs back and forth and up and down. For me the interesting part is that in doing so I keep getting harder and harder as blood continues to flow into my penis. As a great fan of edging, I like to take myself in this condition right near the point of going into an orgasm, but not quite, over and over. If I were younger I might go into a full scale orgasm more frequently. By not going into an orgasm I know that I will be able to enjoy myself the same way tonight and maybe tomorrow night too. I am completely hooked on the technique.

I woke up at 5 AM this morning thinking to myself about how much fun my session with the pump had been last night and how much I enjoyed the post-session of POM with the pump-induced hard-on. I almost ended up going into an orgasm this morning just thinking about how really good everything felt last night. But I backed off. I got up this morning thinking that I could provide tips for other guys perhaps interested in trying some of the techniques I have been employing both with the penis pump in place and then in the post pump POM session.

If as you read this you start to think you might want to try some of the same stunts I have been doing, well that was my intent in writing this. If you have a sexual partner there are obviously also ways of integrating the pump into partner sex rather than POM, but either way you will find what you are doing to be a lot of fun.

I am looking forward to tonight’s session and will be horny much of the day. These episodes have a unique and fascinating way of sticking with a guy. I can answer your questions, too.

[sebbie]

I have managed to break (wear out) one of my inexpensive eBay penis pumps. The manual versions have either a rubber bulb that you squeeze for vacuum or a pull lever. I thought I liked the pull leve version better, but they have a rubber washer that must seal against a short black tube as you pull on the lever. That seal failed over time as the washer wore breaking the seal, meaning that the pump will no longer hold the vacuum, and holding the vacuum is the whole idea. The ones with the rubber squeeze bulb have no such washer.

This failed after about 3 months of heavy nightly use. There are no repair parts, but a new identical pump cost me just $12 on eBay and is on its way. Still my advice is that for longer life you may want to choose the model with the squeeze ball instead.

For me, I am using the pump as an aid in self-pleasuring and not as a prelude to having sex with a partner. But there is no reason why the pump would not be perfectly suitable if the latter is your goal as well. Some guys with ED problems complain that even with a snug silicone C-ring in place they lose their erection as soon as the pump comes off. Obviously w/o the vacuum you are going to quickly not be quite as hard out of the pump as you were with the pump in place, but in my case at least I retain a very nice erection that I am able to continue to manually stimulate very successfully once I am out of the pump. Feels (and looks) great. This is a bit of a psychological “mind game” to play around after pumping yourself up so that you feel at least as good after using the pump as you did when the pump was on, but it is one of those great really fun (and safe) things for a guy to do by, to and with himself.

I realize that many of my readers must be into male self-pleasuring or they would not have read all of this. I also assume that a lot of you enjoy jerking off while wearing a snug-fitting swim brief or you would not be reading this either. Given that, I got to wondering if the use of a penis pump and getting oneself into a snug swim brief could be used in sequence.

I have read that male strippers who come out on stage wearing what amounts to a skimpy swim brief have been known to use a penis pump to pump themselves up prior to going on stage in order to look bigger and have more prominent bulges for the audience. I thought I would try my own private version of the same thing.

Turns out, this is way interesting fun, and as solo-sex techniques go I have to give this my highest recommendation. My recommendation is to find a swim brief in your wardrobe that is not your skimpiest one. You will want a snug fit but something with 2 ½ or 3-inch sides is perfect—say maybe that sapphire blue Speedo® that’s in the back of your dresser drawer. You will want a brief with a high enough rise so your upward-pointing hard-on penis is still covered entirely.

Assuming your pump work was a success, you are going to come out quite big and hard. As soon as you have removed the pump try pulling yourself into the swim brief. You will discover that the only way you will fit is to have your penis in the “up” position with the underside pressing firmly against the pouch of the brief. Because you are already so hard, one look in the mirror and you will see what you have accomplished. But you will really feel it as well. The underside of your penis will suddenly be feeling very pleasant. This is way more fun than trying to get a hard on from a flaccid start as you might do without the initial pump “work” that has primed you.

Your penis tip will be right up against the pouch. Needless to say, I started leaving a trail of precum drops on the front of the swimsuit. I now fully understand why the male strippers like this idea. It makes them feel really horny as they step on stage and that adds to being able to put on a good show.

I wanted to describe in detail what I am doing to myself and get everyone exactly to this point today. What you do with yourself after you reach this point is entirely up to you. Some of you might decide that you can no longer “suffer” like this any longer with the urge to have an orgasm, and you must go into a full-scale ejaculation. But some of you may decide this is the most fun you have ever had “edging” and you will continue to want to attempt (at least) from ejaculating.

So, a suitable pump on eBay is $12. This is very cheap relative to the countless dollars guys spend in an effort to get horny with a sexual partner. In addition I could add in the cost of a suitable snug-fitting swim brief, but my readers generally own that already.

The pump is an interesting piece of equipment. Straight guys like to use them to better support intercourse with a female and they generally work for that purpose. But I can easily see two gay guys engaging in mutual pumping followed by swim brief masturbation. Watching another guy “suffer” while you are suffering in the same way would certainly be psychologically “stimulating.” But guys who do not have a sexual partner are going to enjoy themselves too. Safe AND inexpensive. Terrific fun! Really hard to beat!

[sebbie]

Running some experiments

I ran some more experiments last night working on the problem of first using a penis pump to get a firm erection and then following that by crawling into a swim brief. I was most interested in attempting to determine the size and style of swim brief that works the best and provides the best and highest quality sensations in this combination.

Basically, what I have been advising in this regard still holds. The only way you will be able to successfully fit your penis into a brief once you are in such a condition is in the “up” position, and a brief that has a high enough rise to keep you fully covered in this position is the wisest choice.

Once you have pumped yourself up, the underside of the penis will be especially sensitive to anything that touches it—it is rather interesting as to how that all works. Just a slight increase in hardness causes the sensitivity of the underside to increase by 4x or maybe even exponentially. As great experiences for guys go, the idea of having a super snug pouch pressing against the underside of your penis is an experience that falls in the category of “not to be missed”. Can you cay “mind blowing?” It is actually, an erotic “predicament” where seemingly the only way out is to become even hornier. This after you have watched yourself get really big and hard inside the pump, which psychologically sets you up.

So, I am still sticking with my advice to NOT choose your skimpiest brief for doing this to and with yourself. Choose what I would call a standard cut brief with 2 ½ to 3 inch sides. But DO undersize. You will want the pouch to fit as snug as possible. For me, I probably have a nominal waist size of 32 inches, but I have mainly 30-inch briefs, and also a lot that are size 28 inches.

In messing around I would go with the idea that competitive swimmers have on the big race day, and go with the 28 incher.

But I also have a few 26-inch briefs. I have a 26-inch Speedo that I was playing around with last night. That was an interesting choice because I can get into this brief only with some difficulty when I am flaccid, but somehow I found a way. It was great fun. Way up there on the fun scale.

Once in your brief the way I describe, I am sure you will find some things you will want to try. Just a light stroke with your fingertips along the underside of your brief-covered pumped up penis feels outrageously good. If you have a hand-held vibrator, you could try carefully applying that as well. You will quickly find yourself struggling with keeping from going into an immediate orgasm, and the tension keeps building the longer you can go.

Either all alone or with a partner, this is all quite mind-blowing and I wish you all the best in your experiments. If you are like me you will learn stuff about how your body reacts to such situations that you may have been completely unaware of before you ran the experiments.

[sebbie]

I have convinced myself that every adult male should at least try a penis pump. It is one of those things that is important to do that goes right along with a guy's first experience wearing a swim brief or a strap. You won't ever find out if you have been missing out on this unless you try.

And the $20 ebay cost makes the device fun on a budget.

Part of what will make this interesting for you is that like so many things involving sex, each guy is unique and likely will respond differently to the situation you will be facing. How you and your body "reacts" to the situation, voluntarily or, more likely, involuntarily is part of the fun of running the experiment.


Like crawling into a swim brief or a strap for the very first time, I would also suggest doing this in private initially as well. I still prefer the manual to the electric vacuum pumps because I like to apply vacuum in multiple starts and stops and I can control that easier.

How does the pump-induced erection compare with one that was created .
mentally or using the hands? That is something every guy needs to discover for himself. But you will never find out if you do not try.

All I will say on that subject is that using ordinary shower gel soap as a lube, i have had some truly memorable post-pump "self-abuse" sessions with my erect penis in hand so to speak, sessions so enjoyable that such abuse comes highly recommended. All I could think about last night was about how much sheer fun I was having and how warm and wonderful every touch felt. At its best, it has been nothing short of an amazing experience, and certainly for a guy without a partner.

Lots of unanswered questions I suppose depending on your age and specific relationship situation, and a partner would introduce some new complexity into the mix. But for me this is not-to-be-missed sheer fun.