Double Standard

[Minimalist75]

Saw an commercial for a resort yesterday. Don't remember which one.
Of the three women two were in bikinis and one in a thong.
All of the men were wearing long swim shorts.

[California Dolphin]

I've noticed the same damn thing with photos of men's and women's swim teams.

The women are always in bikini style suits and they're also posing with a sexy stance like something out of Playboy Magazine. However, the men are always wearing those jammer style suits and standing there with their arms and hands at their side with a dumb founded look on their faces.

I've strongly suspected this jammer swim suit and knee length shorts phenomenon is really some kind of subliminal propaganda tool intended to promote more heterosexuality.

Back in the 1980s, I heard a discussion on a radio talk show about the Gay Rights movement and its possible effect on the socio-economic structure of the U.S.

Someone commented that the Gay community was less susceptible to government and corporate influence and control because they did not have children who were vulnerable to the government's polices like school funding.

I recall back in 1978 when the voters of California passed Proposition 13 to reduce property taxes, the government threatened to retaliate by cutting school funding.

The message was clear that if the people messed with government, it would take it out on their children. However, the Gay community doesn't have any children so they are immune to being held hostage by the government.

[OhioSpeedoGuy]

Saw an commercial for a resort yesterday. Don't remember which one.
Of the three women two were in bikinis and one in a thong.
All of the men were wearing long swim shorts.

It's because men still believe that it somehow automatically makes it gay to wear anything skin tight. It's ridiculous. If men just tried a speedo once most would be hooked and it would be all you see them in. I ditched the status quo years ago and couldn't care less and wear Speedos in any water situation and I love men's workout tights for exercise.

It's a double standard that only men can change by revolting against stupid trunks

[PSDave]

Back in the 60's the TV show 'Batman' was on. Both Robin and Batman wore tights. The networks were concerned about the overt display of the mens' privates. They devised a way to make the tights less revealing by additional inserts and undergarments. The idea of not displaying the males genitals is nothing new. At the end of the last century the speedo was not an uncommon sight by pools or beaches. However, when the gays came out of the closet they seemed to be wearing speedos. It was also the unofficial uniform of the Pride parades. Thus, outside of water ports, Speedos=Gay. As you will notice, most of the speedo wearers are guys that got used to them in the 80's or 90's - before the stigma arrived. Now, even a straight guy in speedos is either assumed gay, ribbed by their friends as being gay or about the size of their bulge or, the worst, get hit on by a gay. The last is a real cinched that he will never wear them again. His masculinity has been challenged. Straights almost all have a pair or two in their drawer, but worn under swim shorts. (occasionally on vacation or by a back yard pool)
It is a fact - a once comfortable and practical swim suit has been labeled Gay. It may change in future decades but as gays seem to like to flaunt themselves in speedos, it isn't likely. The guys that are intent on wearing white unlined speedos or bikini style suits - usually too small - have really sealed the fate of their reputation . Its sad that the few using their over exposed state to use as a way to get laid, or prancing in a parade to announce their gayness have ruined it for the guys that just want the freedom of a brief fitting suit. Whining about it won't change anything. Responsible actions in a speedo when in public is the only way to make them more acceptable.

[California Dolphin]

I don't understand the reasoning that speedos were adopted as a symbol of the Gay Community.

Speedos and short shorts were the standard athletic and swimming suits before the Gay community was established and most men wore them. So how can anyone adopt a clothing style as an erotic symbol?

That's like saying that men wearing jeans and T-shirts is Gay fetish wear. But men are still wearing them like nothing ever happened regarding their potential for erotic effect.

[nespeedoguy]

Like many as teen in the 90s I looked up to men who were masculine that sported speedos. They were fit guys who used suits for swimming. I wanted to be like them. I also recall fake male body with blue pattern speedo at local dicks sporting goods hung from ceeling. Their functional no need not to sport them. Hope with olympics coming maybe some will embrace it. Cheers guys happy Friday!

[California Dolphin]

From my research, the Gay Community's fetish with speedos was not a factor in them going out of style.

In fact, the longer look in men's shorts and swim suits actually started in the 1990s when NBA player Michael Jordan swore long and baggy "shorts".

Unfortunately, the trend caught fire and since the Jordan era, everything has now become knee length. :mad:

[BikenSwim]

From my research, the Gay Community's fetish with speedos was not a factor in them going out of style.

In fact, the longer look in men's shorts and swim suits actually started in the 1990s when NBA player Michael Jordan swore long and baggy "shorts".

Unfortunately, the trend caught fire and since the Jordan era, everything has now become knee length. :mad:

The long baggy shorts were needed to cover his knobby knees.

[swim suit eddie]

You guys have answered the question why so many guys, especially in America. It's a gay and and advertising devise as to men's swimwear. I think and always think Speedo style swimsuits are just fine on many guys. I'd rather wear them than those awful board shorts anytime.

[Torchwatch]

Just reviewed part of the 2019 Brighton Gay Pride Parade, there was only one guy in speedos but there were more people in wheel chairs, are wheel chair users gay?
Nearly everyone in the 2019 Brighton Gay Pride Parade was wearing a tee shirt, the tee shirt has become the new gay uniform. Wearing a tee shirt is an icon of being gay, wearing a tee shirt makes you gay.

[NJHunkguy]

I follow a few swimsuit groups on FB. One thing I realized was that, for example, Aussiebum, often they posted sexy masculine male models wearing their swimsuits. The comments below were almost all men. So, you get the idea.

I feel that men, specifically in the U.S., don't want any men to look at them sexually. That's why there's a trend to wear baggy long shorts.

Of course, there may be one in a hundred heterosexual who wants the attention. He then wouldn't be bothered by wearing speedo types for any onlookers.

Of course, there could be one in a hundred heterosexual men who feels swimming in speedo would be normal. May have to do with their upbringing or ethnic background.

[Drenalin]

Back in the 60's the TV show 'Batman' was on. Both Robin and Batman wore tights. The networks were concerned about the overt display of the mens' privates. They devised a way to make the tights less revealing by additional inserts and undergarments. The idea of not displaying the males genitals is nothing new. At the end of the last century the speedo was not an uncommon sight by pools or beaches. However, when the gays came out of the closet they seemed to be wearing speedos. It was also the unofficial uniform of the Pride parades. Thus, outside of water ports, Speedos=Gay. As you will notice, most of the speedo wearers are guys that got used to them in the 80's or 90's - before the stigma arrived. Now, even a straight guy in speedos is either assumed gay, ribbed by their friends as being gay or about the size of their bulge or, the worst, get hit on by a gay. The last is a real cinched that he will never wear them again. His masculinity has been challenged. Straights almost all have a pair or two in their drawer, but worn under swim shorts. (occasionally on vacation or by a back yard pool)
It is a fact - a once comfortable and practical swim suit has been labeled Gay. It may change in future decades but as gays seem to like to flaunt themselves in speedos, it isn't likely. The guys that are intent on wearing white unlined speedos or bikini style suits - usually too small - have really sealed the fate of their reputation . Its sad that the few using their over exposed state to use as a way to get laid, or prancing in a parade to announce their gayness have ruined it for the guys that just want the freedom of a brief fitting suit. Whining about it won't change anything. Responsible actions in a speedo when in public is the only way to make them more acceptable.

Couldn’t agree more.
I grew up in extreme rural America where farming was the only way of life. Men and boys wore denim jeans year round regardless of the weather as they were far more practical. We enjoyed swimming in ponds, creeks and water troughs, oftentimes in our birthday suits just to cool off and rinse the hay and tobacco dust from us. The rare occasion we visited a pool we wore baggy swimming trunks or a pair of jersey shorts. Recreation was not a very well understood word or, at least, practiced. Homophobia was a real issue among adolescent boys to the extent some thought it as a disease that was contagious. Naturally, we had gay members within or community but until they became adults and moved away, most of them never truly identified as gay due to the fear of persecution from the very hypocritical Catholic Church congregation which made up the majority of the population. The gay stereotype, as I recall clearly was males wearing short shorts, belly shirts and, course, speedos. We were taught this through our parents and them through their parents.
Now, we do live in a different world and, at least in my community, the strict conservative believes have subsided quite a bit and most are far more accepting of others who choose to live a different lifestyle. To each his or her own as I’ve believed for quite some time. Unfortunately, the stereotype of the wearing of speedos or swim briefs by men is still fairly strong which repels most males from even considering trying a pair on. I do blame this ideology on the fact the gay community so openly flaunts their nearly nude bodies, while donning bikini style swimsuits as they express themselves walking through streets displaying gay pride flags. I have no issues with the gay community whatsoever and am proud my community has finally began accepting them for who they are but when the gay community takes to the streets in the name of gay pride, are they promoting their right to be gay or are they using the marches as an excuse to sexualize the situation?
I really tried my best to word this response in a way that will not offend anyone but express my discontent with some members of the gay community using the swim brief/Speedo/bikini as the most visually persuasive approach to promote gay pride.

[Torchwatch]

Drenalin; they say it takes a whole village to raise a child. Your community told it's gay sons they were not wanted while your church told them they were damned. They fled to the city as soon as they could, some may have killed themselves.
In the city they felt free in anonymity, but when Gay Pride came along they wanted to express themselves in the public eye. The homophobic communities they'd fled from had told them that gay men wore short shorts and cropped shirts or speedos, what better than to dress as they'd be stereotyped when standing up in the public eye.
Now a new generation of gay men and lesbians go on the Pride Parades and they no longer need to dress stereotypically. They dress normally yet the communities from which they fled are still thinking in terms of gay men at Pride Parades flaunting themselves in public.

You are reading this on a computer, the operating parameters of your computer were created by Alan Turin, a gay man driven to suicide by a homophobic culture. His efforts broke the German Enigma Code making it possible for freedom and democracy to return to the world. A few gay boys in speedos prancing about in Pride Parades 20 years ago shouldn't upset you, nor should it put you off wearing your own speedos for swimming and sunbathing.

[Drenalin]

Torchwatch, the gay community have every right to express themselves in whatever attire they feel gets their message across. Regardless of their actions I will never refrain from wearing swim briefs how and when I choose. I’ve accepted them for who they are and am perfectly comfortable wearing what I want despite the long lasting stereotypes of conservative America. I am one of many from communities across the country similar to mine who feel my hometown rearings and religious education have proven outdated and, quite frankly, wrong.
If I’m not mistaken, and it’s possible I am, this forum was created to promote the wearing of swim briefs for all men despite sexual orientation. To really break the ice and make a proactive attempt to persuade the anti-swim brief community speedos can and are acceptable to be worn by them, is it not appropriate to discuss the the root of their reasoning for resisting?
I understand the frustration and internal yearning to be accepted by society when you are struggling with self happiness while society points their noses up at your lifestyle decisions. I understand the rejection and depression a person would feel just to be considered normal. Therefore, I do understand the ‘over the top’ and ‘let’s shove it down your face’ mentality of the gay community taking to the streets using speedos as a strong visual reference. I get it. But, regardless of whether it was a smart choice or not, the fact that the gay community caused irreparable damage to straight men and their perception of swim briefs cannot be denied. I overcome this problem by self confidence and a bit of a rebellious attitude. Others, however will never reach that point as I have or be convinced otherwise due to the stereotypical images from the gay community.

[niftynev]

I don't know whether it's an Australia thing only, but it has been noticed that sometimes fathers in Australia start wearing speedos once they start taking their children to the beach/pool. Commentators have suggested that it is an attitude of "I don't care if I get ridiculed, I am going to wear the best possible swimwear for water activities just in case I need to save my child". However, I think that the mindset is more "Everybody can see I have a child, therefore everybody knows I am not gay, therefore I can wear the most comfortable swimwear there is without getting homophobic comments". Unfortunately in Australia, wearing speedos has become associated with the gay community, and many are too concerned about their image and the (predominantly undeservedly) negative attitudes towards gay people, for them to be comfortable in sensible swimming attire. I didn't wear speedos where I might have been seen by people I knew until after I was married.

[Canadian]

I've strongly suspected this jammer swim suit and knee length shorts phenomenon is really some kind of subliminal propaganda tool intended to promote more heterosexuality.


I doubt it's intended to actually promote heterosexuality, but rather afraid of being labelled as gay or turn people away. These types of people seem to think an article of clothing determines one's sexuality.

[Glenda]

On a summer day with my wife wearing a bikini, I can't see myself sweating in board shorts. A minimal thong with a tight yet still comfortable pouch is my preferred attire. My wife supports me when I wear one in public.

[MrMusik]

On a summer day with my wife wearing a bikini, I can't see myself sweating in board shorts. A minimal thong with a tight yet still comfortable pouch is my preferred attire. My wife supports me when I wear one in public.
If only everyone's wife was so supportive!

[vega1210]

is your wife topless in that picture?!?!?! if so need a full shot of the two of you together. front and back!

[Glenda]

I don't consider my not wearing of a shirt as topless, neither should my wife, or anyone else that sees me without a shirt. Now that would be a double standard if she didn't wear a shirt and was considered topless.

[Bede735]

I wear brief swimwear. If that makes some people think I'm gay, I couldn't care less.

[Bikiniman]

On a summer day with my wife wearing a bikini, I can't see myself sweating in board shorts. A minimal thong with a tight yet still comfortable pouch is my preferred attire. My wife supports me when I wear one in public.

"Outstanding" suit! I love this photo...hope you have more like this.

[runnerguy]

I wear brief swimwear. If that makes some people think I'm gay, I couldn't care less.
So what’s wrong with being gay?
I’ve been in the closet and just starting to enjoy my male sexuality at age 60

[Glenda]

"Outstanding" suit! I love this photo...hope you have more like this.

Sorry, that's all there ever will be. I can't turn the clock back to the turn of the last century.

[Bede735]

So what’s wrong with being gay?
I’ve been in the closet and just starting to enjoy my male sexuality at age 60
Never said there was.

[Hotbunz1969]

On a summer day with my wife wearing a bikini, I can't see myself sweating in board shorts. A minimal thong with a tight yet still comfortable pouch is my preferred attire. My wife supports me when I wear one in public.


Hey Glenda,

Looking real good there in that suit, love the way your ‘wife’ is supporting you..... What suit is it you’re wearing there?

[Glenda]

Hey Glenda,

Looking real good there in that suit, love the way your ‘wife’ is supporting you..... What suit is it you’re wearing there?

N2N Bodywear was the manufacturer.

[PSDave]

recently went to a beach resort and my wife bought me a pair of swim trunks. Brief as swim shorts go but not my usual speedo type suit. When I asked her why the modesty ploy she responded. "I like you in brief suits but these have pockets for you to carry cash so you can go to the snack bar and buy me food and drinks"
I wore them as requested but over my regular bikini suit. When I was ready to get in the water I pulled off the shorts and told her there was cash in the pocket if she wanted a cold drink. I had foiled her plan as me being her beachboy/waiter

[bikinis4me]

Beautiful pic of both of you, Glenda! Yum!

[swim suit eddie]

I do agree, Speedos are just nice men's swimsuits, I do get annoyed that they are used for an anti male agenda,no less as gay men's advertising purposes. These are men's swimwear and and have no shame wearing a Speedo swimsuit any time or anywhere. They fit and feel great and will not stop wearing them for an anti straight men's and what we as American males are made of. Their phony double standard should be ignored and I say, if you like sexy or snug men's swimwear keep wearing Speedo swimsuits. Ladie's give your men your support,and love,as men's Speedo swimsuits do look great an give you both a nice romantic experience.

[Torchwatch]

The modern man needs cash, debit cards, a mobile phone and car keys in his pockets. When you want to swim all this needs to be left behind it will get wet and maybe salty. Having a small pouch bag on a shoulder strap allows you to keep all your valuables together, you can wear it over your shoulder under your pack on the way to the beach or stuff it into your pack as part of your pillow when sunbathing. When you swim it stays in your pack, when your partner needs a cool drink or ice cream, sling it over your shoulder and trek to the beach bar or shop. If the shop is off the beach grab a pair of shorts to pull on before you cross the road.
This leaves you free to wear speedos, a bikini or a swim thong while on the beach and in the sea.
No excuses, it's not a handbag if it's army surplus.

[Canadian]

The modern man needs cash, debit cards, a mobile phone and car keys in his pockets. When you want to swim all this needs to be left behind it will get wet and maybe salty. Having a small pouch bag on a shoulder strap allows you to keep all your valuables together, you can wear it over your shoulder under your pack on the way to the beach or stuff it into your pack as part of your pillow when sunbathing. When you swim it stays in your pack, when your partner needs a cool drink or ice cream, sling it over your shoulder and trek to the beach bar or shop. If the shop is off the beach grab a pair of shorts to pull on before you cross the road.
This leaves you free to wear speedos, a bikini or a swim thong while on the beach and in the sea.
No excuses, it's not a handbag if it's army surplus.

I just use a waterproof holder that goes around my waist, which contains credit cards, some cash and my phone. I like Overboard products.