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lapswimmer
06-19-2018, 12:00 AM
As far as I can remember as a kid, and wearing tight brief swimwear, which we now simply call Speedos, I have always been conscious of the bulge. The primary function of the Speedo is to give freedom of movement and support for the genitals.

I don't think the designer ever intended it to be a showcase for the genitals. and, why the Speedo is somewhat identified as gay swimwear in our society is just odd to me. I am truly straight and have several gay friends, so I am not putting that element in the discussion. I am sure one's preference does influence the interest or lack thereof in the bulge, so let it just go as that.

it is also obvious in cruising this Board, that the style and fit preferred by the wearers, is much varied depending on body build and suit style. One thread even discussed penis position. I want to look at your interest in bulge and how that affects your selection of a suit.

For me, I have made it know in other threads I like a tight fight, snug to genitals and if there is an outline of the penis evident, no worries. Is the size of your bulge important to you? I am not large so my bulge is a medium size and the suits I chose to wear are selected to compliment what I do have.

I could go on forever, but would like to have some thoughts on "the Bulge" and your interest or thoughts on the matter.

snarkherder
06-19-2018, 12:33 AM
For me, it’s a matter of comfort vs. modesty. Where I live, no one wears a swim brief, at least not to the apartment pool. The only competitive swimmers I’ve seen wear the jammer style. So I’m breaking the mold just wearing a brief style suit. The pool rules state “appropriate attire for family setting” whatever that means. I interpret that to mean, don’t make waves.

My favorite suit is the Gary Madjdell contour pouch bikini. It cradles rather than flattens the goods. However, I choose more modest suits for the community pool that flatten things a bit more while not being too uncomfortable, like the funycell swim briefs you can find on amazon or the arena competition style briefs. Speedo and Tyr briefs are a bit too constricting for my taste.

Basically, I try not to draw attention to the bulge, but at the same time I want to be comfortable.

Roswell
06-19-2018, 03:11 AM
I'm trying to figure out the question being posed here. Are you wondering why people find a nice bulge attractive? If that's the case, then my answer would be that it can be aesthetically pleasing to the eye, as well as serving as a nice tease for what's beneath the speedo.

Polyamid986
06-19-2018, 10:56 AM
I'm average downstairs, as for the swimsuit itself, well since I do go swimming a lot for recreational purposes, it has to be snug first of all because when you swim constantly you all guys know the problem with chlorine and how it stretches out the suit. Second of all it has to hold everything in place :D. And ofc don't we all accentuate it a bit in speedos?

misteranonymous
06-19-2018, 11:53 AM
I have learned to not really worry about my bulge, which is below average, due to my rather small balls. So, I just try to stay in shape and let my bulge show the 90 percent of men who out-pack me that they should feel comfortable showing off!

I love it when I walk by any man, younger or older, who clearly has more in their Speedo.

Polyamid986
06-19-2018, 12:12 PM
I have learned to not really worry about my bulge, which is below average, due to my rather small balls. So, I just try to stay in shape and let my bulge show the 90 percent of men who out-pack me that they should feel comfortable showing off!

I love it when I walk by any man, younger or older, who clearly has more in their Speedo.

Always be proud of what you got mate :D

lapswimmer
06-19-2018, 03:25 PM
I'm trying to figure out the question being posed here. Are you wondering why people find a nice bulge attractive? If that's the case, then my answer would be that it can be aesthetically pleasing to the eye, as well as serving as a nice tease for what's beneath the speedo.

Perhaps you hit a nail on the head. Aesthetically pleasing to the eye. I think that when you look at the human body, man or woman, there are some with curves that simply express a wonderful design and the curves around the genitals add to that compliment in my opinion.

I posed the topic for me to better understand my own appreciation for the appearance of the curves created by the bulge, regardless of size.
In comparison, I love the mound on a woman from the same perspective.

For those of us here, we all are passionate about our briefs and how we look in them, and other reasons too. To me, there is something freeing to wear it and show my body as it is with my modest bulge as part of that image.

do others feel that same way?

Lap Counter
06-19-2018, 06:12 PM
I have made it know in other threads I like a tight fight, snug to genitals and if there is an outline of the penis evident, no worries. I am not large so my bulge is a medium size and the suits I chose to wear are selected to compliment what I do have.

Backed up by your picture in the color of the month challenge!
Although that suit may be the smallest one at the pool, it looks “right” and appropriate.

lapswimmer
06-19-2018, 06:57 PM
Thank you for the kind compliment. Yes, at the local YMCA which is frequented by mostly elderly and moms with kids in the afternoon, I do take the prize for smallest suit. However, nobody has ever made a remark or given me an un-approving look, so I enjoy the pool, my brief, and my body. And an occasional conversation with members in the pool area is a plus.

Torchwatch
06-19-2018, 10:53 PM
We become sensitive about our bodies at puberty when we start to have unexpected and possibly embarrassing errections. Having an errection in the school showers or in speedos could result in bullying or homophobia so it's best to keep everything hidden.

After puberty guys start to make unrealistic boasts about the size of their cocks knowing that they'll not be called on to prove it. They avoid wearing speedos or other skin tight clothing as it would reveal their true bulge status.

In the showers when we look down at ourselves we appear smaller than the guy we look across at in the next stall although we are both about average. So unless we are actually huge we'll always feel insufficient.

The campaign by women for the "new man" was for a gentle, emasculated man that they could control, what the women actually wanted was a real man to make babies with and a "new man" to bring up the children. Ordinary men in speedos with average bulges offended their sence of decency and they shouted "Think of the children !" of course the younger children didn't care and those going through puberty needed to know what they were becoming and without being able to see real men in brief swim wear turned to unrealistic porn.

lapswimmer
06-20-2018, 01:36 PM
Interesting societal perspective, Torch. Having grown up in a brief-normal swim setting all my life, I never considered the paradigm shift the Feminist movement had on how women see men. Perhaps my fascination with the brief and resulting bulge was more of a personal thing and a topic several of us have an opinion on. That's what makes a blog fun. I have seen the design of suits over the years go from a universal no-pouch flattening design to a accentuating pouch that puts you front and center. Does give us Speedo lovers a wide selection on how to present the bulge. I like many of us are actually somewhat conservative and thus my selection of suit design, Seems the Neptune Scepter medium pouch design gives me the expression I want without embarrassing the mom and her little tykes.

California Dolphin
06-21-2018, 03:25 AM
For me, it’s a matter of comfort vs. modesty. Where I live, no one wears a swim brief, at least not to the apartment pool. The only competitive swimmers I’ve seen wear the jammer style. So I’m breaking the mold just wearing a brief style suit. The pool rules state “appropriate attire for family setting” whatever that means. I interpret that to mean, don’t make waves.

My favorite suit is the Gary Madjdell contour pouch bikini. It cradles rather than flattens the goods. However, I choose more modest suits for the community pool that flatten things a bit more while not being too uncomfortable, like the funycell swim briefs you can find on amazon or the arena competition style briefs. Speedo and Tyr briefs are a bit too constricting for my taste.

Basically, I try not to draw attention to the bulge, but at the same time I want to be comfortable.
Here's what I would do to counteract the stigma of men wearing speedos in public -especially for athletic swimming.

​I would find videos of swimmers wearing jammers and copy the following message in the comments:

​"​What are those funny looking "Jammer" swim suits about?

They're supposed to be "faster", but's that's just an excuse for men covering their upper legs and nothing but "ritual wear" intended to make a statement against men wearing speedos and short shorts and "looking Gay".

Covering your upper legs won't make hell's worth of difference about your sexuality and those jammers look just plain WEIRD.​"

I call it "reverse speedophobia" and if enough people make a big stink, things will change pretty fast.

lapswimmer
06-21-2018, 04:44 PM
Regarding the Jammers and other full body racing suits. Having been deep into the competitive swimming world, I can only say the Jammer adds nothing to speed and is only cosmetic. They are still snug to the groin, so i'm with you Dolphin. they add restriction to leg movement also. The full body suits are supposed to have a tooth in the material that enhances forward movement and give the swimmer a different feel of the water. On an Olympic scale, they may cut some time on the race. Now its a matter of cost versus advantage.

So on the brief suit perspective, how do you, Dolphin, see the brief and its ever present bulge, regardless of size or pouch design? There seems to be a thread of thought about some of us restricting our wearing our briefs in certain settings. I am consistent in all settings with my NS suits. Your thoughts?

California Dolphin
06-22-2018, 03:33 AM
Jammers can show "the bulge" just as much -if not more than- briefs.

In fact, I've seen some jammers that have an obvious "pouch" in the groin area that's the equivalent of saying "Guess What's Under Here!!!".

tightjeans
06-22-2018, 01:58 PM
Jammers can show "the bulge" just as much -if not more than- briefs.

In fact, I've seen some jammers that have an obvious "pouch" in the groin area that's the equivalent of saying "Guess What's Under Here!!!".
Interesting because once I tried on a pair of jammers and felt nothing but uncomfortable compression. If anyone knows of the brand with a pouch please post it, I would wear them more for the personal thrill not fore swimming.

50 Free
06-23-2018, 05:06 AM
Jammers suck. Big time. They are horrible to wear and swim in.
As a competitive swimmer for over 45 years now, I wear my Speedo brand briefs to swim my laps daily.
I think the word speedo is misused. Sometimes gets confused with the skimpy little thing that body builders pose in and gay guys prance around in trying to look cute. Or whatever.
We swimmers just swim in them. We don't use any gimmicks to enhance or exaggerate our genitals. We think those who do must be the reason some people hate speedos. When it isn't even Speedos they see.
So I guess gay and proud and showing the bulge is one thing, swimming daily laps for fitness and competition is another. Let's not confuse the two. There is really no similarity, if you look closely and figure it out.

Torchwatch
06-23-2018, 09:09 AM
Speedo in America make the 1" Speedo Solar swim bikini, the Speedo Swim Thong and it's colour range has included whites that go transparent.

The 1" Speedo Solar has a front seam, it is therefore a pouched suit, the rear appears to be 3/4 coverage. This makes it qualify as "the skimpy little thing that body builders pose in and gay guys prance around in trying to look cute."
Speedo Solar Review:
http://www.the-bottom-drawer.com/speedos-solar-1-brief/

The Speedo Swim Thong has a front seam and is of course pouched, it is "the skimpy little thing that body builders pose in and gay guys prance around in trying to look cute." and Speedo made it.
Speedo Swim Thong Review:
http://www.the-bottom-drawer.com/speedo-thong-tribute/


For white Speedos just look at these :
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Speedo-Brief-Swimming-Trunks-White/dp/B00AGDSIZU/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1529740494&sr=8-20&keywords=white+speedo+briefs

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Speedo-Mens-Swimming-Briefs-White/dp/B01HG7GEPO/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1529740609&sr=8-25&keywords=white+speedo+briefs

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Speedo-Swimming-Trunks-Essentials-blanco/dp/B00H96NTD8/ref=sr_1_44?ie=UTF8&qid=1529740718&sr=8-44&keywords=white+speedo+briefs
One buyer said "The only problem I first noticed was how obvious "the bulge" was. Part of the trick is to not pull them right up, just have them on to where the widest part of your hips are and then it doesn't look like you are smuggling something into the pool."

Then there is always Japanese Speedo which represents everything you dislike:
http://en.kyouei-mizugi.com/product.php?pid=380

Limiting yourself to the Speedo brand seems extreme as there are many other men's swimwear brands making perfectly good briefs of 2" European, 3" American and even 5" cuts.

Wearing 1" swim bikini or a swim thong on a quiet sunny beach is not a "gay" thing, just a desire to feel free and have minimal tan lines.

50 Free
06-23-2018, 03:02 PM
Yeah I guess I've never seen anything from Speedo that a swimmer wouldn't wear to practice or to a swim meet. I do my shopping at swimoutlet.com because they offer my team a great yearly kickback due to the volume of biz our 60-some swim families do there. If that retailer has a lingerie section I'm not aware of it, I think they deal in athletic gear mainly. Plus we stick to the Speedo brand as it is by far the best quality since it is geared to our sport. The Endurance line is tougher and more durable than anything out there in terms of daily salt water pool use. Their Vanguisher goggles are the mainstay, period. Speedo sponsors our meets too, and in age group and masters swimming we could use all the financial help possible to keep the cost down for members.
And it isn't that I dislike anything, it's just that I think some of the attire discussed and shown here and erroneously called speedos is why the general public kind of cringes at the mention and thought. Were they to actually witness swim competition they might think otherwise. But of course swimming isn't exactly a spectator sport, huh? At a swim meet you do not see guys of any age using gimmicks and gadgets to enhance the appearance of their genitals, nor hear a lot praise of each other's bulge. LOL. Maybe if I were gay and wanting to promote that I'd be all over it but I'm only slightly bi in that I very much appreciate a fine male bod with the swimmer's physique dressed in a swimmer's uniform. I would probably even touch one of legal age if I had the opportunity! Some of the photos here and at another site definitely do fuel that feeling...

snarkherder
06-23-2018, 06:43 PM
Speedo in America make the 1" Speedo Solar swim bikini, the Speedo Swim Thong and it's colour range has included whites that go transparent.

The 1" Speedo Solar has a front seam, it is therefore a pouched suit, the rear appears to be 3/4 coverage. This makes it qualify as "the skimpy little thing that body builders pose in and gay guys prance around in trying to look cute."
Speedo Solar Review:
http://www.the-bottom-drawer.com/speedos-solar-1-brief/

The Speedo Swim Thong has a front seam and is of course pouched, it is "the skimpy little thing that body builders pose in and gay guys prance around in trying to look cute." and Speedo made it.
Speedo Swim Thong Review:
http://www.the-bottom-drawer.com/speedo-thong-tribute/


For white Speedos just look at these :
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Speedo-Brief-Swimming-Trunks-White/dp/B00AGDSIZU/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1529740494&sr=8-20&keywords=white+speedo+briefs

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Speedo-Mens-Swimming-Briefs-White/dp/B01HG7GEPO/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1529740609&sr=8-25&keywords=white+speedo+briefs

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Speedo-Swimming-Trunks-Essentials-blanco/dp/B00H96NTD8/ref=sr_1_44?ie=UTF8&qid=1529740718&sr=8-44&keywords=white+speedo+briefs
One buyer said "The only problem I first noticed was how obvious "the bulge" was. Part of the trick is to not pull them right up, just have them on to where the widest part of your hips are and then it doesn't look like you are smuggling something into the pool."

Then there is always Japanese Speedo which represents everything you dislike:
http://en.kyouei-mizugi.com/product.php?pid=380

Limiting yourself to the Speedo brand seems extreme as there are many other men's swimwear brands making perfectly good briefs of 2" European, 3" American and even 5" cuts.

Wearing 1" swim bikini or a swim thong on a quiet sunny beach is not a "gay" thing, just a desire to feel free and have minimal tan lines.

Totally agree, torch. I’m not much of a swimmer and more of a sun worshipper, but I wear a variety of styles depending on the pool/beach/lake I’m hanging out at. Nothing to do with my own personal hang ups, just respect the fact that my neighbors probably don’t want to see me strutting around in a thong. Plus I figure if I’m wearing something more conservative, the odds of converting one of these knee-baggers is higher, but we’ll see.

Fairfax
06-25-2018, 01:45 PM
My moment of "bulge" concern came at about age seven. That is the age that children develop inhibitions about nudity and I was no different. I suddenly realised my dick was on display when other shorts wearing boys started teasing me about it.
I told my mother I wanted to wear shorts but she said no. I was still at an age where my mother could tell me how to dress and she made me wear briefs every time I went swimming. She thought that being embarrassed about the "bulge" was childish behaviour and I would soon grow out of it.
It she was correct because within a few months I was completely comfortable showing my "bulge" and my anti brief phase disappeared never to return.
If my mother had caved in and let me wear shorts I would probably never worn briefs again but instead she had the opposite effect because in her efforts to persuade me to wear briefs she often told me how much she enjoyed wearing just a bikini.
She wanted a boy who was comfortable in a small swimsuit but instead she created a boy who loved small swimsuits.

lapswimmer
06-25-2018, 03:39 PM
Fairfax, I grew up sort of the opposite, liking small briefs from the start. However, it too, was my mom that encouraged the notion. As a result
I have worn only briefs thru the years based on the style, material, and fit for that time. Glad you grew into the confidence you have today and wear your briefs with pride.

Chris997
06-27-2018, 08:00 PM
I should be visiting the Florida area possibly this year and cant wait to go swimming in my swim briefs, I generally no longer care and its been a long time as my fitness is more important than what some insecure woman/bloke thinks

lapswimmer
06-27-2018, 11:01 PM
I would think Florida would be a very Speedo friendly state, especially in the beach areas. Where do you live now, Chris? Here in central Texas, brief suits are hardly a second look at the pool. I hope your vacation is relaxing and fun in your brief.

swim suit eddie
05-16-2019, 07:16 PM
I don't understand the fear fellow American men have wearing Speedos that outline their bulge. This part of a man's body anatomy and is a normal outlining in snug swim briefs like Speedos. I've been wearing them for many years and really like the soft snug feeling of Speedo style swim suits. Yes, as a guy, I might get an erection from the tickling feeling of them. It's happened to me, but I'll wear ones the right size and allowing for an unavoidable outlined erection that does feel nice. It's a natural attraction for many women seeing a guy snug in tight Speedo style swimsuits showing a man's bulge, especially if outlining a guy's erection.

Red^^Speedo
05-17-2019, 07:25 PM
Those twin bulges up top in women's one and two-piece swimsuits have bothered me also, ever since I was about 13. :)

lapswimmer
05-18-2019, 03:35 PM
I would like to think that a woman viewing a man's bulge would be as sensual to her as a man feels viewing a woman's mound. These components of our bodies is tied to sexual stimuli in the brain, soliciting attraction to each other. Of course, the breast of a woman and butt cheeks of both genders do the same thing, naturally. Obviously, a gay man would be excited to view another man's bulge. This has happened to me through the years and once I indicated I was straight, the conversation moved to other things.

I guess I select my bikini cut to give what I call best presentation of both assets,,, no pun intended!!! And I have never had a woman complain about my attire.

dm106
05-18-2019, 03:52 PM
I think the supposition that women enjoy seeing a mans bulge (or details) is very dependent upon the woman, individually. Some women do not like it, and some are turned on by it. There is a definite double standard which is alive and well in the US and probably other places as well. Women tend to be more turned on by the emotional side than the physical side from what I can tell.

StrawberryBoards
05-20-2019, 02:12 PM
I think the supposition that women enjoy seeing a mans bulge (or details) is very dependent upon the woman, individually. Some women do not like it, and some are turned on by it. There is a definite double standard which is alive and well in the US and probably other places as well. Women tend to be more turned on by the emotional side than the physical side from what I can tell.


I agree; but the point SHOULD be that not everyone needs to be turned out by something for it to be ok to wear functional swimwear while having male anatomy. There is often a false dichotomy constructed where our bodies are either "hot" or "disgusting." Even if our bulge isn't turning anyone on doesn't mean it is wrong for it to be visible.

need4speedo
06-06-2019, 12:10 PM
There are so many brief swimsuit brands nowadays that place emphasis on bulge enhancing swimwear. I think it's a draw to guys regardless of sexuality because they either want to feel sexy and show off what they have or to try to attract other mates.

For me, there's definitely some attraction to showing off my own bulge. I never make it obvious in public settings, but I have some bikinis that are made to enhance the bulge. I guess I like to impress myself that I can have an amazing bulge like some kind of swimwear model.

While I don't wear swimwear that enhances the bulge much in public settings, I never try to hide any bulge that I have either. I'm a man, there's gonna be something there and that's just the way it is. I do have a little bit of a fantasy though of going to an exotic island somewhere and wearing a suit that really shows off the goods.

Abram Jule
06-06-2019, 01:27 PM
As far as I can remember as a kid, and wearing tight brief swimwear, which we now simply call Speedos, I have always been conscious of the bulge. The primary function of the Speedo is to give freedom of movement and support for the genitals.

I don't think the designer ever intended it to be a showcase for the genitals. and, why the Speedo is somewhat identified as gay swimwear in our society is just odd to me. I am truly straight and have several gay friends, so I am not putting that element in the discussion. I am sure one's preference does influence the interest or lack thereof in the bulge, so let it just go as that.

it is also obvious in cruising this Board, that the style and fit preferred by the wearers, is much varied depending on body build and suit style. One thread even discussed penis position. I want to look at your interest in bulge and how that affects your selection of a suit.

For me, I have made it know in other threads I like a tight fight, snug to genitals and if there is an outline of the penis evident, no worries. Is the size of your bulge important to you? I am not large so my bulge is a medium size and the suits I chose to wear are selected to compliment what I do have.

I could go on forever, but would like to have some thoughts on "the Bulge" and your interest or thoughts on the matter.
For me, it is all about comfort. I have been wearing this for a long time and I found it very comfortable.

Schoolspeedo
06-06-2019, 05:29 PM
Those twin bulges up top in women's one and two-piece swimsuits have bothered me also, ever since I was about 13. :)
i right with you on this one!

Schoolspeedo
06-06-2019, 05:37 PM
So I've always been conscious of my bulge since I can remember. As a kid growing up in a hot country, i used to wear shorts and remember a real tantrum when my grandmother an aunt tried to get me into little speedos but i went totally the other way very shortly and now will not wear anything else.as brief as possible for me except when i'm with some of my UK family where i'll wear wider speedos but still have the mickey taken out of me. My wife hates my very skimpy styles but tolerates them likewise a good mutual female friend who has seen me in very skimpy bikinis. we often spend time in her hot tub and i love wearing the briefest bikinis i can and obviously love showing off my bulge. my wife will often say, in her company, 'your cock looks obscene in that!' I like to pull my foreskin back so the bulge shows some good head, especially in wet fabric. looking forward to this year's hot tub sessions and i have the smallest bikini yet ready to wear. can't wait!!

Frog
06-07-2019, 02:00 PM
In my case, as I am circumcised, things are very visible with some briefs... And I can't do anything to hide it.
It is more obvious with red suits or bright colors, and less with black or navy ones. I was very upset about this in the past, but now I accept it very well. It is just a part of my body and nobody cares. Never had any negative comments about it.

sunbuff
06-07-2019, 05:41 PM
Here's a different twist on interest in "the bulge."

https://www.shinesty.com/products/statue-of-david-swim-briefs

Red^^Speedo
06-07-2019, 08:30 PM
Here's a different twist on interest in "the bulge."

https://www.shinesty.com/products/statue-of-david-swim-briefs



Heeheehee.


Perfect for swimming laps in coooollld water pools.

mark
06-25-2019, 03:09 PM
hows this for a bulge shot, thong from china also wearing my metal cock ring.
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e39/bogbody121/0/b2fb6193-6cf2-4c10-a5d6-7a12d9cc11b0-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

MrMusik
06-25-2019, 04:28 PM
hows this for a bulge shot, thong from china also wearing my metal cock ring.
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e39/bogbody121/0/b2fb6193-6cf2-4c10-a5d6-7a12d9cc11b0-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

Good looking bulge Mark!

With the bulge style thong and that cock ring, it really makes your assets stand out.

I love seeing bulges like this!

Abram Jule
06-26-2019, 11:07 AM
Whatever the man get, should be happy with it. :p :D

Abram Jule
06-26-2019, 11:07 AM
Whatever the man get, should be happy with it. :p :D

lapswimmer
11-15-2021, 05:58 PM
I dug up this old thread to pose, no pun intended, a slant on the topic. What is your preferred presentation in tight swimwear? Many styles today want to pronounce the penis and some offer varying pouch size to do so. I have two suits with completely different presentations. I swim laps in the more modest suit that simply shows a mound with no specific outline. The other is a thong with penis pouch which kits my anatomy okay, but is not suitable for athletic use. When you reply, it would be nice to see your own example of what you like.

BikenSwim
11-15-2021, 07:12 PM
I posted a bunch of full-body bikini photos on Instagram (these are cropped), and these two got the most Likes, so small bulge or no bulge are both preferred there. I wear a lot of tiny flat-front suits at crowded beaches.

Schoolspeedo
11-24-2021, 07:03 PM
hows this for a bulge shot, thong from china also wearing my metal cock ring.
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e39/bogbody121/0/b2fb6193-6cf2-4c10-a5d6-7a12d9cc11b0-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds
wow! that's a fair beast in there! bet you'll make the old ladies eyes pop out!!haha