What you feel about to be the only one guy wearing speedos?

[zungaboy]

As we know in a lot of countries is less common to wear speedos, them a lot of guys who wear speedos are the onlyone to wear it at the beach or a pool, them I would like to make a question to the guys here .What you feel about to be the only one guy wearing speedos? Adrenalin? The cooler at the place? Shy? Afraid? the “alfa guy”? the guy with more personality? great to the ego? Happy to all the people have their eyes over you???
Be free to responded at real you feel.

[Byron]

What you ask has been covered in many posts over many months already.
Some members have expressed extreme self-conciousness and others have
said be confident and wear what you wish to wear and ignore the opinions of others.
That sums it up - I really cannot see that you will learn any more by repetitions of posts on the subject (and I think it was Dooley who rightly pointed out that this could go on ad infinitum)

[zungaboy]

Be pretty cool if anybody response the question and no one response for other. By the way Byron I think you have a big problem, I don’t know what kind of problem but always when I make a question you repeat thinks like “it was responded may times for many people and bla bla bla…” I don’t have time to read all the forum (I work and have life XD) but I think you feel threatened sometimes like if anybody show independence at the question you have the impulse to keep the control of the questions and answers :-)

[Byron]

A rather silly post there . I am not a control freak and have no power nor wish to restrict anybody's "independence" on this forum and any replies can come to you from any of the members as and when they feel they want to add more in a VERY well trodden path of past AND recent subject matter. Any decisions on controlling content will be taken by Mike the administrator and I will say no more as I have already heard too much similar rubbish from STS.

I will of course exercise my own right to post with an opinion and say, as I clearly imply , that this forum becomes utterly boring if people too lazy to learn from existing threads keep flogging a dead horse.
Btw have you considered joining "the rest of us" (whoever that may be) in just ignoring me?

[zungaboy]

It don’t deal about “Be Lazy”. Each tread have a link in the forum, if I search and read all the titles of the treads and the topic and it is not between this , them, the question is valid, if somebody exposed some idea about my question (or another question in other tread) it is exactly the same like search about (for example) “sizes of Speedos” but read in the topic conversations about “why you and me speak about how valid is a question” if anybody have time to read all the forum “response for response” like “searching the Sorcerer's Stone” COOL FOR HIM!!!!!

[Torchwatch]

It is the nature of forums to be repetitive, for new members to ask the same old questions and usually to be given the same old answers.
New members can't be expected to trawl through the archives and should be encouraged to ask any question they wish to.

Being the only person in a pool in speedos one quickly gets into the water and starts swimming. One keeps swimming hoping to go further and faster than anyone else in the pool. I want to show that I am a better swimmer than the younger guys in their big, dragging shorts, if they want to swim better too they should get their own speedos. I don't care if you don't like my speedos or my body, I can out-swim you, in the sea if you got into trouble I could rescue you.

[PSDave]

Whenever I wear a speedo I am at a pool or beach -- appropriate location for the garment. I don't really pay that much attention to if I am the only one or not - it simply doesn't matter to me.
Here is one observation I have made on that subject. Often times I have seen other guys checking out my speedos and as time passes I see them sliding their board shorts off to reveal a speedo. It seems that being the first one to be in a speedo isn't possible for they level of confidence - but if another guy is wearing one, it is ok for them to wear theirs too.
Think about it when you go to the beach the next time and are too self conscious to drop your shorts and expose your speedos. There may be another guy, or even many other guys with the same insecurities and if you lead the way there may be a lot of guys in speedos before the day is over.

[Dooley67]

I said that the debate is endless and there won't be agreement on any one conclusion. Having said that, let's not discourage newcomers from asking a question even if it is a repetition. If having the question raised again bothers you, then don't participate in the debate and just let it go. Mike is the leader of the board, no one else is.

I think that PSDave makes a very good point about others' possible insecurity about being the first one to be seen wearing a speedo on the beach. But, that shouldn't discourage others. For me, I don't care if I'm the only one; I want to feel comfortable in what I wear and that happens to be a speedo. And since I've become a serious swimmer just 2 months ago, that has provided me with an even greater incentive to be comfortable in what I wear, and maybe be admired for being in pretty decent shape at my age and wearing a speedo.

So Zungaboy, ask whatever questions you want and don't let anyone tell you to not raise a question for a thread starter.

Dooley67

[shaulis]

Zungaboy, I agree with Dooley67, PSDave and Torch water as long as you are confident in you speedos other guys may have them on and just need to see another guy wearing briefs to be confident enough to shed the board shorts.
I wear my briefs when I'm at the beach or pool it doesn't matter if I'm the only one wearing briefs at the time

[knikon]

I'm with many of you. I actually feel more confident and less self conscious in a speedo. Like I said in a recent Thread I just wore one to the US Open of Surf and I was one of maybe 5 on the beach wearing one out of possibly 10-20 thousand attendees and the only one with a striped bikini plus I was dumb enough to carry around 3 cameras (2 digitals & a speed graphic). My 1934 speed graphic got more comments than my bikini... It was surreal tho standing in nothing but a striped bikini in front of that many people felt a bit weird.


Give it 2 years and this question will resurface as a thread lol.

[NE_OH_thonger]

On the main topic, I am usually the only guy on the beach in a speedo (or smaller), so I've become used to it. I was wearing an orange Ami Sanzuri brief at the beach yesterday, and a young lady came up to me and said, "I really like the color of your swimsuit. I think that's the first time someone has commented on my swimwear in a long time.
Knikon, as a camera collector, I'd have noticed your Speed Graphic too

[knikon]

Lol it definitely drew much more attention than my "bikini" did. I got 2 compliments and one sneer at the event regarding my swimsuit so I was happy. Normally being the only guy in a speedo I give it no second thought but that event took it to a whole new level.

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

I have often been the only guy in a brief cut swimsuit. It has never been an issue, and I see no reason to worry about it. For me, it is not about any male ego thing, I just like the swimsuits I wear and see no reason not to wear them. I feel the same for the guys in boardies. If that is what they like, then by all means do so.

As for the criticism of your posting this string, only one person on this board would raise such a remark. Ignore him. He likes to drive members away, and he does it with regularity. I am happy to have members start or restart discussions.

STS

[Torchwatch]

For humans to repeatedly ask the same questions and eventually to get a new answer is how progress occurs. A new answer to an old question happens when a philosophical or technical advance takes places in a related field so moving the goalposts.
Keep asking innocent questions and keep wearing brief or even briefer swimwear wherever you feel you will be accepted or tolerated.
Intolerance creates religious or political states that repress their own subjects.

[Byron]

Having waded through a quagmire of mixed philosophies I reach dry land
to discover that an intolerant authority in some form "represses its own subjects".
As point one it surprises me that such free thinking as expressed there produces the incongruous word subject instead of citizen.

As point two the emotive word repress hides the simple fact that as civilised beings we are all "repressed" in order to live in harmony and safety - and to say "standard of behaviour" would therefore be far more appropriate terminology.
For example, authority "represses" me by not allowing me to drive on the opposite side of the road to every other vehicle . Have I therefore unacceptably lost my freedom of choice to act as I wish, being under the control of an oppressive regime of some sort?
The rituals of politeness in Japan also result from the necessity of millions of people to live as happily as possible, being packed together in small spaces as they are.
As for "states created by intolerance" I should like to know why, as demonstrated in human history, so many peoples who gain "independence" immediately plunge themselves into bloody civil war.
In those seemingly inevitable circumstances who exactly are the subjects and who is then repressing them?

[Torchwatch]

BBC TV Comedy, Bad Education "You will learn more if you don't ask questions."

[Byron]

Splendid quotation - it encapsulates intolerence far better than any efforts of mine.

[shaulis]

I'm going to invoke Rodney King's words " Can't we all just get along".

[Dooley67]

I'm with Shaulis. What is the big deal about somebody raising a question a second or third or fourth time - talk about intolerance. As I said in an earlier post, if someone is irritated because a topic is revisited, then that someone should just suck it up and stay out of the discussion. Finally, let's keep the judgments out of posts and not refer to others' posts as silly or stupid.

D67

[Bede735]

I'm just not a person for following fashion, so to change from Speedos to board shorts would just be doing that, as anyone with eyes can see they're not comfortable to swim in.

So if I'm the only one wearing Speedos - I don't worry about it.

[Dooley67]

This morning when I went to the Y to swim laps, again I was the only one in briefs, a Turbo, USA Polo team suit. No matter. In the lane next to me a teenager, probably about 15 or 16 got out because he was finished. He was wearing jammers and he had a bit too much girth to him which spilled over the top of the jammers. I thought, what a brave kid at that age, wearing a swimsuit that maybe even accentuated that he was somewhat overweight. Obviously he felt OK with it and it made me feel good that someone his age could have such confidence. That should be a lesson to all of us; wear what feels good and don't pay attention to what others say about it.

D67

[Byron]

Found silly - couldn't find stupid (rubbish seems to have been forgotten)

Btw, I would have preferred a quotation from a different Mr King and not a violent druggie.

[Crail]

Byron,

Your "good" side provides many interesting and insightful posts to the board. Unfortunately, however, when your "bad" side erupts, it places a major damper on the members. If every member posted snarky comments, as you do and refer to as "freedom of speech", the board would burn up like a funeral pyre. As mentioned at the beginning, you do provide much good to the board. Please let that part of you be for ever remembered.

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

I love that you asked your question and you certainly have received many thoughtful replies. I hope you continue to join in the conversation and feel free to ask questions. It gets people talking. Most of us on the board are welcoming and genuinely appreciative of sharing conversation. Sorry your post got such an early unwelcoming reply.

STS

[Byron]

http://www.beachbelievers.com/node/5180
....does any of this article sound rather familiar?
(it was written nearly FOUR YEARS ago)

[Torchwatch]

The obese man in the photo in the article above actually has good legs and an acceptable loin area. The problem is the overhanging belly. If he was wearing boardshorts down to his ankles his belly would still hang over the waistband just as much. He has gone to the beach presumably to swim and sunbathe, which are legitimate pursuits (even in speedos).
So why attack him for wearing speedos when it is his exposed belly that is the issue and would remain the issue whatever swimwear he chose, unless the public were to demand that obese men and women wear singlets/vests to hide their excessive chests and bellies?
Since the average man in the West is slightly overweight these days such demands would result in nearly all men wearing vests and baggy shorts for swimming, a return to Victorian values perhaps.
We should give moral support to the older and bigger men who choose to wear brief swimwear not because we lust after them but because depriving them of their freedom to choose their own swimwear ultimately deprives everyone else of their right too.

[Dooley67]

Torchwatch, you are right on target with your very well thought out post.

D67

[dorcas3]

Yesterday at Y in Addidas brief with high school junior swim team guy and this morning in Australian Water Polo brief=both real tight. Addidas had very small gap area in left groin which leads me to beleive that it was not sewed up properly. Great to see HS junior in speedos-he thought nothing of wearing them as did the US team member who I swam with last winter. His US team suit was so brief that they kind of pinched his butt checks but he was such a great swimmer I heard no complaints. I really think that serious lap swimmers like myself have little to be self conscious about when wearing briefs and believe me the turbos I wore this morning were really tight.

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

What was the point?

[dorcas3]

When I wear brief swimwear I take my time when I put it on in the locker room and at the pool. When I'm not in the water I still hang around talking to people with no hesitation. In other words I consider wearing my speedo as nothing unusual. The pool is for swimming-the suit is for swimming-so swim! Same in the locker room. Many just like to see what suit I'm going to wear next-I have may but have mostly settled for Caussie and water polo suits which are just the opposite in their feel and toughness. The Caussie is as if you had nothing on where as the polo is double lined. I may cut one of the layers out but I hate to completely ruin the suit.

[shaulis]

I just ordered two Turbo suits for lap swimming. Dooley and STS influenced me to finally add these Turbo suits into my mix of swim briefs.

[Torchwatch]

When cutting out linings one nick and the suit is ruined, don't do it. If you ant an unlined suit buy an unlined suit.

[zungaboy]

Thank you friends for the answers.
I think when we make some questions and it is responded freely them always we learn more than and we win more knowledge. The speedo for a lot of people is a taboo, and sometimes don’t care if we use it, the taboo is in the brain, them some people want to keep the control about when, how, why speak about the speedo.
Some time I read a guy asking in a forum because he feels a little shy about wear speedos at his swim train class (was his first time) he never been show his bulge to other people and also he have some insecurities with his “penis size”-…. Unfortunately for him a swimmer teacher was the first one to response him at the forum and the response was like this” “are you fool !!! We use speedo because is the perfect dress to swimm , you mustn’t have care or think about show the bulge and bla bla bla”.. them the answer never been response and also no buddy in the forum give the correct response or any person will have de courage to make the same question in the forum… also The swimmer teacher show with this response that for him the “bulge” at the speedo is a taboo (NO BUDDY SPEAK ABOTH THIS IN MY FORUM!!!!!!!)

[Dooley67]

Shaulis,

What a chain of influence. I was influenced to order Turbos by Turbofan and STS and now you've been influenced by STS and me. You're going to love them, the low cut, the tight fit, holding your package in place. Which ones did you order?

D67

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

You will love Turbo suits. They are fun prints and hold up really well. Let us know what you think.

STS

[Byron]

In answer to post #29 the point of post#25 was to emphasise four years in relation to the well trodden path as referred to in post#4.
(sorry if that was too abstruse for you but let's have a breathing space of at least two years as ingeniously and amusingly predicted by knikon in post#10)

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Yes, it was far too obtruse for me. You are clearly the smarter of the two of us, in fact smarter that the whole damn board. I am in awe of your brilliance. I genuflect to your posts. I masturbate to your wisdom. Oh wise one...

[Byron]

My thanks to Crail for post#23 - it sounded a bit like a eulogy on a tombstone
at the end (do you know something I don't?) but I will take it as genuine (as I prefer not to use childish* words such as "I don't care what you think").
LOL - your reference to a funeral pyre produced a great urge for snarkiness but I resisted temptation you will be pleased to hear.



Btw:
"freedom of speech" confused me - are they words of mine? (which I cannot find).
I also seek your advice on a post from Chris in 'age to wear speedos' thread.
As he has said numpty (which I vaguely recognise I think) is that of Scottish origin and/or adopted as American slang now ?

Lang may yer lum reek (and I hold my head in shame if misspelled - but I do know it is a wonderfully evocative expression about smoke and chimneys)

*oh dear me - now I see I have to contend with genuflect and a JO above - and do I dare explain to an author the meaning of abstruse ?

[Dooley67]

Byron,

I refer back to Crail's post in which he describes the good information you provide members of the forum as well as the bad aspects of your posts. Clearly what he wrote had no effect on you.

Either you don't know how your posts and the language you use affects people, or you don't care. If you don't know, then be informed that your words are hurtful, insulting, provocative and nasty. If you don't care, then be informed that others' have feelings that you are stomping on and many folks have told you this in varying ways. I urge you to re-consider your approach to members of this forum and change your behavior, and please, stop judging the quality of others' posts.

D67

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Byron, please do explain the meaning of abstruse. I await your infinite knowledge... if only we could all be as intelligent, loved and well liked as you.

One day you will conquer this board... and then off timed posts will no longer be an issue. Only those at your totally superior level will be able to post. In fact, if will be a very private, singular conversation. Until then, I await my answer to abstruse....

STS

[Byron]

A delay must be expected - my supercharged stratospheric brain is at present entirely
focussed on reconsidering my approach as requested by dooley (whose post I have to say commands a little more respect - even if inaccurate in reference to Crail).

[Torchwatch]

When you mention your supercharged stratospheric brain are you referring to quasi-biennial oscillation?
Only bacteria and a few vultures and geese are found alive in the stratosphere, it is a lonely cold place, better to come down to Earth.

[shaulis]

Dooley67 & STS,

I bought the US print and a solid black. I didn't want to get too crazy with prints yet. I probably will with my next purchase. I'm sure I will love the Turbos as much as the two of you do. I hope to have them Saturday.

[Lap Counter]

A lot of threads devolve into chippy little exchanges, and this one is going down that path rapidly.

In the immortal words of Rodney King, "can we all get along?"

[Dooley67]

Dooley67 & STS,

I bought the US print and a solid black. I didn't want to get too crazy with prints yet. I probably will with my next purchase. I'm sure I will love the Turbos as much as the two of you do. I hope to have them Saturday.


Shaulis,

Which US print did you order. I've got the one that says USA on a blue background and stars on the back of the suit and on the front it has the Stars and Stripes. You are definitely going to love the Turbos. You need to let us know how you like them, dry and wet.

D67

[Byron]

Thank you LC for quoting the quote correctly

[Byron]

Re post#42 perhaps I should have been a little clearer there Tw . You suggest the QBO but I would consider my high range of thinking to be more in the Jetstream (thus providing a chance to influence Earth rather than just being on Earth to endure its whims).

[swim suit eddie]

I have been to swim clubs, where most guys wear baggy swim suits, like the board shorts. They say that they would rather wear speedo style swim briefs. Sadly many parents,families wont the younger guys wear snug speedo briefs, as they are considered being a gay male style. I wear speedos most of the time when swimming at my health club, but put shorts over them at family oriented swimming facilities. Many times, being with families I'll wear board shorts, to calm their homophobia. I'll wear my speedo swim briefs a lot during the summer months as underwear too. i really like wearing them. It's too bad, that so many American families with growing young and teenage boys put them in such an awkward situation as to their sexuality. The young women and many girls wear bikini swim suits that show so much of them, looking like young girl's underwear. If a girl or young woman wears a one piece bright colored swim suit, they too old fashioned or prudish, not showing enough of their bodies. When I lived in Europe, especially in France and Italy, men of all ages wore speedo swim suits and some women and girls, wore very pretty one piece swim suits at times. What men and women wore on or to the beaches in these countries, is not an issue for them. I felt great wearing my favorite speedo briefs at the beaches or swim clubs there. I'm a bit older now, yet still in good shape. I go swimming, as often as I can and still fit in speedo swim briefs wearing them often during the warm summer months.

[Dooley67]

Swim suit Eddie,

It sounds like you're comfortable wearing speedos any place. Have you considered wearing speedos at the family oriented swimming facilities as a way of encouraging others to do the same. Maybe some of the homophobia you speak of would be reduced if more boys and men wore speedos if you were to set the example. Just a thought.

D67

[Byron]

In answer to post#40 the meaning is ' hard to understand/profound' and I
checked the dictionary to ensure the accuracy of my reply for you there. That is a useful little book - you should get one.
I also went to O for your obtruse but it doesn't exist.
Under M you were ok for masturbate - but such a revolting vision
of your obeisance was enough to make me put the dic. away immediately.

[dorcas3]

As long as pride parades show guys flaunting their bodies in speedos you are going to have many equate speedos with gay. I find these displays disguting and in your face-don't know what they are trying to prove-I swim laps in speedos all the time and that's what they are for-not strutting and pawing each other in a parade.

[Dooley67]

As long as pride parades show guys flaunting their bodies in speedos you are going to have many equate speedos with gay. I find these displays disguting and in your face-don't know what they are trying to prove-I swim laps in speedos all the time and that's what they are for-not strutting and pawing each other in a parade.

I fully agree Dorcas3. And very well put, short and to the point.

D67

[Byron]

Yes, I have long felt that the shock tactics employed have a great and undesirable rebound effect but they continue in some annual pride parades. Maybe the attitude is "we have nothing to lose if we are sneered at so often already " but the spectacle is reminiscent of the medieval freak shows which would attract crowds for some diverting amusement (entirely the wrong level at which to secure better public tolerance of course).
Maybe I am pessimistic but I fear that the gay-only perception of speedos is going to take a very long time to eradicate.

[zungaboy]

I have been to swim clubs, where most guys wear baggy swim suits, like the board shorts. They say that they would rather wear speedo style swim briefs. Sadly many parents,families wont the younger guys wear snug speedo briefs, as they are considered being a gay male style. I wear speedos most of the time when swimming at my health club, but put shorts over them at family oriented swimming facilities. Many times, being with families I'll wear board shorts, to calm their homophobia. I'll wear my speedo swim briefs a lot during the summer months as underwear too. i really like wearing them. It's too bad, that so many American families with growing young and teenage boys put them in such an awkward situation as to their sexuality. The young women and many girls wear bikini swim suits that show so much of them, looking like young girl's underwear. If a girl or young woman wears a one piece bright colored swim suit, they too old fashioned or prudish, not showing enough of their bodies. When I lived in Europe, especially in France and Italy, men of all ages wore speedo swim suits and some women and girls, wore very pretty one piece swim suits at times. What men and women wore on or to the beaches in these countries, is not an issue for them. I felt great wearing my favorite speedo briefs at the beaches or swim clubs there. I'm a bit older now, yet still in good shape. I go swimming, as often as I can and still fit in speedo swim briefs wearing them often during the warm summer months.
Eddie, is funny and freak that in recent years as menswear begging to be large and baggy but the womenswear begging to be shorted. Talking to very young people (under 25 years) many of them they think that this was always like now, and them they consider “the rule” o “The normal” is for a guy cover all the male body (more than the women) also they think “be a guy covered” (more covered than a girl) always was the rule..... a lot of guy think take off the t-shirt in a hit day at the streets is gay......

[sebbie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYvZnR2_xak
zungaboy video

[Byron]

LOL - whatever happened to the lighting?
Rather better quality one from the same videographer here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgnrcPHTwOk&list=UUJzSM7mrRnksgkDYA_9qFNg

[California Dolphin]

As long as pride parades show guys flaunting their bodies in speedos you are going to have many equate speedos with gay. I find these displays disguting and in your face-don't know what they are trying to prove-I swim laps in speedos all the time and that's what they are for-not strutting and pawing each other in a parade.
I don't understand the reasoning that just because you have seen men wearing speedos in a Gay Parade means they are an extraordinary and exclusive symbol of the "Gay Scene" and men in main stream society should reject them as a form of fetish wear.

Like the Str8 scene, the gay scene is also loaded with eroticism and very body centric. Accordingly, it embraces many ordinary everyday "symbols" such as wearing jeans, T-shirts, sneakers, leather, body building, salacious dancing and poses, and just about anything else that seems like a turn on.

So if you selectively pick out any particular form of behavior (such as wearing speedos) as being a symbol of the "Gay Agenda" and don't want to associate yourself with it, then I'd say you're a bit homophobic.

Just to be curious, when you saw guys wearing speedos in the gay parade, how did you come to view it in the first place? Did you attend the parade in person or just watch it on the news?

[shaulis]

I agree with you California Dolphin. I still don't understand how wearing a Speedo brief makes someone gay .

[Lap Counter]

Thank you LC for quoting the quote correctly

Byron, thanks for noticing. :)

[Byron]

LOL - thank you for your thanks for noticing
(FIN)

[Dooley67]

I agree with you California Dolphin. I still don't understand how wearing a Speedo brief makes someone gay .


It must be something that is very high tech that is surreptitiously put in all brief swimwear that instantaneously turns someone from straight to gay. Can anyone think of a more plausible explanation????

D67

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

It is in the drawstrings.... they contain gay conversion power.... lol.

Just wondering, if I wear boardies, will I hear a "poof" and suddenly be straight?

STS

[Bede735]

Is that because they're similar to bikinis which women wear?

So does that mean women who wear trousers are gay?

[Torchwatch]

Anything that boys/men do that girls/women start to do and then take over become "gay".
For example church choirs used to have choir boys as trebles, then choir girls began to infiltrate and take over so the remaining choir boys were assumed to be gay. Tennis also began as a men's sport, King Henry VIII played it, then women started playing it and it was thought of as gay; until it became apparent that some of the women players were lesbian and all players began grunting.
Swimming and athletics have been taken over by women and girls, the remaining boys and men retreating into ever longer shorts in order not to be thought of as gay. Women and girls have also started playing football (soccer) choosing to wear shorter shorts than the boys and men, making the boys and men wear longer shorts in order not to be assumed to be gay.
There is a tendency for girls to want to do what the boys are doing, then to try to take it over and wear the style of clothes the boys have been wearing, so that boys that still want to do that activity in the tradition style of clothing can be accused of looking and acting like girls and being gay.
It is homophobes that shout out that wearing speedos is gay, so if you are protected by thousands of other gay men why not wear speedo and laugh.

[Byron]

Homophobic predominance is far worse than I thought - only able to wear and laugh in speedos when under the protection of thousands of gays ?

Btw, King Harry's Real Tennis is still played to this day at Hampton Court Palace

[Dooley67]

We could have a contest to see who can think of the wackiest reason why men who wear speedos are assumed to be gay. I know it's a serious issue related to homophobia, but we could also make light of it because the reasoning that folks use is so screwy in the first place.

D67

[Dooley67]

It is in the drawstrings.... they contain gay conversion power.... lol.

Just wondering, if I wear boardies, will I hear a "poof" and suddenly be straight?

STS

Absolutely!

D67

[Bede735]

Women and girls have also started playing football (soccer) choosing to wear shorter shorts than the boys and men, making the boys and men wear longer shorts in order not to be assumed to be gay.

Doesn't help when they kiss each other after scoring a goal and roll about the place in agony after the slightest tackle.

Rugby players wear shorter shorts, yet I doubt if you could assume them to be gay.

[Byron]

...ex Welsh Rugby national team captain??

It seems a great pity - I wish many more sportsmen would declare but you will see that in the few sports instances it comes only after retirement and/or end of contract - so, as with everything else, it's the money that counts against principles in the end (and tragically, at the extreme, one London footballer's (soccer player) suicide resulted).

Btw, the size of players required in rugby team selection today would put many a bodybuilder to shame.

[Torchwatch]

The Homosexual Agenda 14 Aug 2011
By C. Welker - Published on Amazon.com

"For those who don't believe there's a homosexual agenda, I would ask you to do some historical research. Fifty years ago, homosexuals were "in the closet" because they knew if they were to come out, they risked ridicule and perhaps their very lives.

Along came the Sixties and Seventies and the Sexual Revolution that pushed the "if you're not with the one you love, love the one you're with" idea. Suddenly, promiscuous behavior included anything and everything, including homosexuality. "Gay" parades in places like San Francisco brought out scantily-dressed people writhing through the streets sporting spiked collars and black lipstick insisting the world should accept them as "normal.""

There appears to be some serious homophobic anti speedo hatred here.

[Dooley67]

The Homosexual Agenda 14 Aug 2011
By C. Welker - Published on Amazon.com

"For those who don't believe there's a homosexual agenda, I would ask you to do some historical research. Fifty years ago, homosexuals were "in the closet" because they knew if they were to come out, they risked ridicule and perhaps their very lives.

Along came the Sixties and Seventies and the Sexual Revolution that pushed the "if you're not with the one you love, love the one you're with" idea. Suddenly, promiscuous behavior included anything and everything, including homosexuality. "Gay" parades in places like San Francisco brought out scantily-dressed people writhing through the streets sporting spiked collars and black lipstick insisting the world should accept them as "normal.""

There appears to be some serious homophobic anti speedo hatred here.

Torchwatch,

I'm very well aware that homophobia is a serious issue and I didn't mean to offend by making light of it. And to clarify, I proposed that as a joke and did not refer to it as a "speedo hate contest." That being said, I don't think the gay parades with scantily clad, outrageously made up men add anything positive to the movement; rather I think they detract from it. And those who happen to be wearing speedos as part of their costume then reinforce the belief that only gay men wear speedos. They just feed into the stereotypes that homophobes have about gays.

The outrageous and ridiculous part of "only gay men wear speedos" is that it is just plain silly, and sometimes humor reduces a contentious issue to the point of it being ludicrous. I think that by constantly examining the issue in such detail, the false assumptions are dignified rather than ignored. I don't want to appear to be seeing this simplistically, but, if someone wants to wear a speedo, then wear it and the hell with others think or assume about you. And whether speedo wearers are gay, bi, or straight, they pay taxes, marry in 17 states and DC, have families, etc., like everybody else. That appears to me to be pretty normal.

D67

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

I always found that gay guys in speedos tended to be gay, straight guys in speedos tended to be straight. Lets not get our strings in a knot. D67's humor was just that...a fun diversion.

[Byron]

I think the "here" of Tw's post needs clarification as belonging to wanker Welker's opinions as quoted - or to the "here" of this forum.
I must say misunderstandings might be avoided if we did not see the apparent smug chumminess of STS and Dooley on a surreal joke about the magic powers
of waistcords with poof in them. (vide Queen Victoria: "We are not amused")

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Byron, Yup...we are chums. A relationship you do not understand. Once again your powerful brain was overpowered by your insulting personality.

Btw, the quote ends before the final sentence if TW's grammar is correct.

[shaulis]

Bryon,

I think you are making a mountain out of molehill with the joke. I like STS and Dooley67 they are my friends. I believe the joke was told for a laugh nothing more.

Shaulis

[Byron]

Tw's grammar is correct and he simply indicates when he has stopped quoting Welker (the double quote mark in fact indicates he has been meticulous in that respect).

[Dooley67]

Byron,

It appears that my effort to clarify my intent and even offering a mea culpa if I offended anyone fell on deaf ears in favor of making the mountain out of a mole hill as shaulis wrote. And what does the "apparent smug chumminess" of STS and Dooley have to do with any of this? If some folks chose to pick up on my humor and continue it, that's their prerogative. I believe that Bede also made a contribution to the humor as well. There needs to be a place for humor on this forum; not everything has to be serious.

You know, a joke is just that, a joke, and sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. Just lighten up Byron.

D67

[Byron]

Matching post#64 to #68 the England Women's Rugby team has just scored over Canada in the Finals and so are now World Champions (in short shorts and with some fine legs).

[Byron]

(in response to post#77):p

[dorcas3]

I think that the best way to get guys comfortable in wearing speedos is to get them to swim-preferably doing laps. Everything points to a brief suit as being the thing to wear when trying to optimise performance. If you get to wearing them in the pool you will gradually feel more at "home" in them-starting with your time in the pool area, locker room and walking between them. At times I have jumped out of the pool and gone to the parking lot in them to check the meter. As for washing windows at home and vehicles it may seem a little strange to others as it would if you went shopping. You gotta have shorts with pockets for that! I really feel for guys that continue to be shy about wearing them because they feel so great. Nude is of course better but that would be a little over the top-maybe 20 years from now. I continue to wear mostly Caussies and Turbos-each are somewhat different.but enjoyable. If you can't swim take a few lessons and begin by wearing speedos it shows your dedication and the instructors-guy our girl will understand. I have found that female instructors have a lot more patience with you and will be wearing a suit as brief as yours! Do It.

[Dooley67]

I think that the best way to get guys comfortable in wearing speedos is to get them to swim-preferably doing laps. Everything points to a brief suit as being the thing to wear when trying to optimise performance. If you get to wearing them in the pool you will gradually feel more at "home" in them-starting with your time in the pool area, locker room and walking between them. At times I have jumped out of the pool and gone to the parking lot in them to check the meter. As for washing windows at home and vehicles it may seem a little strange to others as it would if you went shopping. You gotta have shorts with pockets for that! I really feel for guys that continue to be shy about wearing them because they feel so great. Nude is of course better but that would be a little over the top-maybe 20 years from now. I continue to wear mostly Caussies and Turbos-each are somewhat different.but enjoyable. If you can't swim take a few lessons and begin by wearing speedos it shows your dedication and the instructors-guy our girl will understand. I have found that female instructors have a lot more patience with you and will be wearing a suit as brief as yours! Do It.

dorcas3,

As usual your remarks are very well thought out and make complete sense. As most people on the board know, I am a new serious swimmer, not quite 3 months. I started out wearing briefs that I already had, but none were tight enough to be comfortable swimming laps. I got several new ones, some Turbos, some Nikes, and some Sportis, all low cut, tight with 2-2.5" sides. I've been swimming in them exclusively at a my local Y among a very nice, friendly group of men and women. A few guys wear speedos that have longer side seams; mine are, by far the smallest. I feel perfectly comfortable wearing them and there hasn't even been a hint of disapproval. So, I fully agree that if you wear brief suits to do lap swimming, it is the natural setting and activity and those swimming along with you will not bat an eyelash.

D67

[shaulis]

I agree with Dooley67 and dorcas3. Its better to get used to wearing a Speedo while doing the activity its designed for, swimming laps. All of the guys I swim with wear swim briefs. They would laugh me out of the pool if I tried to swim in something other than briefs.

[Byron]

This article on US homophobia is from Brazil SIX YEARS ago - its content I could recite in my sleep - so, any bigoted attitudes changed yet? (see last line)
http://brasilmagic.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/american-homophobia/

[knikon]

Good article

[shaulis]

I agree knikon good article.

[Dooley67]

I agree that it is a good article as well. The content is very much like what we've been saying in the 85 comments that preceded mine, but it is nice to see that our opinions are validated.

D67

[Byron]

I think I know what is intended in the post but the English composition is mangled.
Words of last week cannot be "validated" by words of six years ago which have only just been drawn to your attention - you have illogically reversed the time frame.
You can say you are pleased to read similar sentiments from the past - though of course you should not been pleased if nothing has changed in six years in America - hence the question was asked but it has most unintelligently been ignored with responses only of "good article".

[Dooley67]

Byron,

You are absolutely right because you are all knowing and the rest of us know nothing. It must be very lonely at the top with no one of you intellect to interact with (oh my goodness, I ended a sentence with a preposition).

It would be a very good idea if you learned to be more tactful and less insulting in your comments to fellow board members. Nobody else attacks like you do except in a defensive posture when you have done so first.

But oh, I waste my words.

D67

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

Byron, shut up.

[Byron]

May I combine lightening up with shutting up or are they to be entirely separate modes of conduct ?
Anyway the latter is easy as I just noted my total posts - over 3000 in less than three years - so target achieved and time to depart.
I leave you with the immortal words of Groucho Marx: I don't want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member.

[Dooley67]

Fellow forum members,

It sounds like Byron is telling us that he will be leaving the forum and I am very sorry to hear that. I may have been one of the people whose replies to him caused him to make this decision; however, I do not regret those replies because bullies must be called on their behavior.

I regret his decision because I have the utmost respect for Byron's intellect, and I believe him to be a brilliant man with a wonderful command of the English language, a researcher who could run rings around any reference librarian, a person who is always willing to take on an investigative challenge, and an excellent grammarian.

Unfortunately, Byron's rudeness and demeaning of other individuals is what many of us have objected to, and with repeated pleas to refrain from his rudeness, Byron did not change his behavior. He has bullied others with his gift for language and that I will surely not miss. There could have been such a better outcome had he only been willing to take the advice that was given to him and stopped the verbally abusive behavior.

For those positive contributions, Byron will be missed.

D67

[Crail]

Dooley; you have expressed my sentiments extremely well. Yes, I have also tangled with Byron and it is too bad that what he has brought to the board is offset by what I call his dark side. Perhaps he may yet return with a different perspective.

[shaulis]

I don't believe for a second that Bryon has left the board. Bryon derives too much pleasure from letting everyone know just how intellegent
he is and goes out of his way to say that. Bryon will be back and much more spiteful in my humble opinion.

[sebbie]

Everyone just calm down and take a deep breath. I am sorry there are these rifts, but long ago I've learned long ago that personal spats on message boards never go anywhere. Bryan posts great photos and I don't know how he finds some of them. Just ignoring anything I dont like to read always works well. Which leads be back to the idea that everyone should not try to respond to whatever it is they don't like. Carrying on back and forth with another poster just digs a deeper hole, and just not responding is the best strategy if you want a poster to stop doing something you don't like.

I THINK I am in good standing with everyone here, and that is my strategy for maintaining that status.

I know men generally have a genetic programming to fight when offended not retreat, buit everyone needs to control those urges and get on with the fun stuff.

Sebbie
Author, "Understanding Male Sexuality" available on Amazon or through your favorite book retailer.

[Dooley67]

Everyone just calm down and take a deep breath. I am sorry there are these rifts, but long ago I've learned long ago that personal spats on message boards never go anywhere. Bryan posts great photos and I don't know how he finds some of them. Just ignoring anything I dont like to read always works well. Which leads be back to the idea that everyone should not try to respond to whatever it is they don't like. Carrying on back and forth with another poster just digs a deeper hole, and just not responding is the best strategy if you want a poster to stop doing something you don't like.

I THINK I am in good standing with everyone here, and that is my strategy for maintaining that status.

I know men generally have a genetic programming to fight when offended not retreat, buit everyone needs to control those urges and get on with the fun stuff.

Sebbie
Author, "Understanding Male Sexuality" available on Amazon or through your favorite book retailer.

Sebbie,

I agree with you up to a point. If we speak in terms of reinforcement and operant conditioning, not responding should eliminate the behavior because that behavior is not being reinforced. That being said, I still believe that verbal abuse should not and cannot be tolerated. And bullying behavior needs to be confronted for what it is.

On another subject, I believe that you must be on good terms with everyone. How could you not? You bring so much to the board and always show the utmost respect for others.

D67

[50 Free]

Well you know, every forum has that guy who seems to have nothing better to do than respond to every single post on every single topic and correct every viewpoint and straighten out every opinion. You have to be able to let it roll off your shoulders, maybe even laugh at it. This whole Board.com and what it's all about is just plain hilarious and borderline ridiculous, how anyone takes it that seriously is beyond me. Quite entertaining, addicting even!
Yeah, this seems to be Byron's life. I hope he doesn't go away, he would miss us as much as we would miss him.

[Dooley67]

Back to the original topic. My wife and I arrived in Kill Devil Hills on the Outer Banks of North Carolina for a beach vacation. This morning I swam laps at the local Y in my Turbo Ipanema, a little bit frustrating because the water was very warm and the pool depth is from 3'6" to 5", so in the shallow area, my feet touched bottom when doing the breast stroke if I wasn't careful to really propel myself.

This afternoon we went to the beach and I was truly the only one wearing a speedo (Nike 2"). It was underneath a pair of short Tactics swim shorts. I was so embarrassed to be the only one on the beach in a speedo that I didn't take my shorts off...for a full second....lol. All of the men were wearing board shorts, some shorter than others and there were lots of hot young, thin guys wearing their boardies very low on the hips, as low as my low cut brief. I could only imagine how they would look in a brief like mine. And I felt fine about being the only one. Each to his own.

D67

[Swimmboy]

Way to go, Dooley67 - wear that Turbo suit proudly!

[Dooley67]

Swimmboy,

Tomorrow it's the red Sporti. I'll wear a different one each day.

D67

[louis]

sebbie. I agree with you, I was a senior on the old board and I got mixed up in something similar to what is going on on this board, things were really going tuff and I got very close to quit such as Byron did.
I was getting negative comments all the time because of my spelling being a french canadian english is a second language Even if I speak english fluently I had difficulties to write without doing to many misspellings.
On the old board there was a lot of contest and me and Mike our owner and moderator had exchanges as I was in a sort of way the supplier of the prizes to be sent to the winners. Ayway I emailed Mike telling him that as soon as the many contest were over I would quit the board.
Mike responded Phil (my name is Philip) dont quit dont pay attention to what some say sending negative responses the best thing to do is just ignore them and not respond at all. I have a great respect for Mike I even remember that at the time I was giving away a lot of suits to members that couldnt afford them and never asking to pay postage even I allways paid to send the suits to them.
This was beginning to cost a lot of money so I told the members that I would still send suits to those that couldnt afford to buy them but they would from now on have to pay for the postage cost.
Well beleave it or not some sent me disobliging comments because of this.
Well beleave it or not Mike posted a message on my behalf on the board saying he didnt approve of such comments and the negative comments stopped ( Mike I dont know if you remember this but thanks a lot for what you did)
This is a board that is meant to exchange comments between speedo lovers and negative disobliging comments should not be exchanged between us if such are sent to you just dont respond to them just ignore them as Mike suggested for me to do.
Being a speedo board , topics that have nothing to do with speedos prevail a lot on this new board annoyes a lot of guys (including me ) anyway well there is allways a polite way to respond to them saying that the subjects of conversations should be about speedos only (even those concerning speedos not in the sense of the word is ok after all speedos are speedos.
politness is a golden key that opens many doors so they say.
To close permit me to say that I will never thank Mike enough for this board and he knows that. permit me to add that if those that dont agree with what I just sead well let it be known that your insinuations are nothing more then my complete indifferences (DONT EXPECT ME TO REPLY) On the old board we had a motto witch was speedo on guys so speedo on guys and once more thanks so much Mike.

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

I agree with you D67.... To each their own. Glad you wore the Turbo, and it is also cool the guys got to wear the boardies.

[shaulis]

Way to go Dooley67, wear your brief swimwear to the beach.

[zungaboy]

Torchwatch,

I'm very well aware that homophobia is a serious issue and I didn't mean to offend by making light of it. And to clarify, I proposed that as a joke and did not refer to it as a "speedo hate contest." That being said, I don't think the gay parades with scantily clad, outrageously made up men add anything positive to the movement; rather I think they detract from it. And those who happen to be wearing speedos as part of their costume then reinforce the belief that only gay men wear speedos. They just feed into the stereotypes that homophobes have about gays.

The outrageous and ridiculous part of "only gay men wear speedos" is that it is just plain silly, and sometimes humor reduces a contentious issue to the point of it being ludicrous. I think that by constantly examining the issue in such detail, the false assumptions are dignified rather than ignored. I don't want to appear to be seeing this simplistically, but, if someone wants to wear a speedo, then wear it and the hell with others think or assume about you. And whether speedo wearers are gay, bi, or straight, they pay taxes, marry in 17 states and DC, have families, etc., like everybody else. That appears to me to be pretty normal.

D67
I think the society of today have problems with the male genitalia, the “bulge” in a Speedo is maybe the only one moment when the society of today have a time to see “face to face” the penis (or something that “speak” about the penis)… them the people (when they see a bulge in a speedo) they feel afraid, someone feel shy, another feel horny, another have ideas about the sin, etc. for they is better no see a penis, them a good idea to take away the “conversation about the penis” or “the image of a penis” (in the bulge of a Speedo) is begging to put the “gay tag” to all the guys who wear Speedos and with this tag they make sure about all the st8 guys who want to wear Speedos they will think 3, 4 ,5 or 100 times before if wear or not wear a Speedo………… them, the gay guys are only the “scapegoat” in this “homophobic-speedo story”.
Women are “better buyers” than the men, them the market actually likes give more power to the women and take of power to the guys, them have a society sick with the men human body is a good business, the price that we must to pay is “Freudians psychological problems with penis” (men who feel afraid to have bulge, women who have “phallic envy”)
Also is very difficult to explain a woman about she have “phallic envy” because they want to think , and the media teach her the “phallic envy” is feminism or “empowerment”

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that there is some truth to the "speedo" (used as a generic term) gay relationship. Other than those who wear swim briefs for the actual sport (swimming, diving, triathlons, etc) I do think that there is a greater acceptance of wearing speedo type swimsuits in the gay population than in the straight population. As a case in point, I frequently will visit Ogunquit Beach here in Maine (USA). Ogunquit has a very vibrant gay section. If you walk up and down the entire beach, you will rarely find a single guy in a swim brief, even among the very large French Canadian tourists (often thought to have a "speedo" preference). However, once you pass into the section of beach frequented by the gay beach goers, you will see a wide variety of tight fitting, form exposing swim suits in brief and bikini styles. I do not think there is anything wrong with anyone wearing a swim brief and while that act alone is not gay, I do think it is safe to say that there is a greater likelihood that a gay guy will wear a more showy swimsuit at the beach than it is for a straight guy to do the same. I don't agree that it has anything to do with fear of a bulge or such, I think it is tied more to the bodily attributes that each population finds attractive.

[Bede735]

It's that argument again of whether you want to pose in them or swim in them. Like how women will wear bikinis at the beach but not at the public pool, because bikinis are for posing, and gays must regard Speedos in the same way.

So if you go to the pubic pool for a swim, I don't see how that could be associated with being gay.

[Dooley67]

I agree with both STS and Bede. You all know where I'm coming from what I wrote in my story so this is in the context of a mostly straight man. I do think that most people do associate speedos with gays because as STS wrote that there is a greater likelihood that a gay men will wear a speedo than a straight man. I have always worn speedos even before I became a serious swimmer because they are the most comfortable for me and I like the way they look. They have always felt better swimming than any other types, my point being that while I have some gay leanings, that is not what made me a speedo wearer nor would I have considered myself a poser And while Bede's point is well taken, I think there is a third choice, and that is, a guy can be a speedo wearer, like I was before becoming a serious swimmer, because he likes them and finds them comfortable.

D67

[Bede735]

I really find it odd how male nudity can be conflated with homosexuality, while female nudity isn't.

[zungaboy]

I really find it odd how male nudity can be conflated with homosexuality, while female nudity isn't.

I think all the guys (st8 or gay) would like to be more naked, shirtless or in shorts or Speedos, BUT if the society put the tag “A MAN IN A SPEEDO IS GAY” and the children grow listening this them only the gay guy will took finally the decision to wear a Speedo and just a few group of st8 will use it………

[Dooley67]

I really find it odd how male nudity can be conflated with homosexuality, while female nudity isn't.

Bede,

And add to your thought that in the locker room, most men walk around naked while I'm told by my wife that women do not and are more modest. So would that mean that male nudity in the locker room is because all men are either latent or blatant homosexuals? It's a real stretch, but equating male nudity with homosexuality is also a stretch as you imply.

[shaulis]

The political gay men in the 80's wanted to make a statement about AIDS at the time. People were being jailed at these protests for getting out of control and what better way to be seen getting handcuffed than in a Speedo on TV. Many guys were stopped from wearing just a Speedo outside by their parents, mine included. I could swim but had to cover up when I got out of the pool. I asked my parents why I had to cover up my swimsuit one day and was told "so neighbors don't think you're one of them queers we see on TV ". Am I the only person that recalls those protests?

[Swimmboy]

As many have stated, the image of gay parades with numerous guys walking - sometimes prancing - down the street in Speedos and other brief swimwear has enforced the link between gays and speedo-wearing (especially away from the pool) among the general population. And why wouldn't it? Many 'gay-oriented' web sites have many posts about 'bulges' displayed in Speedos, the way you can tell a man's 'religion' by the outline of his penis in a Speedo, how a Speedo shows if a guy points it 'up', 'down', or 'to the side' in his Speedo, etc. Just accept it - Speedos help reveal a guy's private anatomy, and gay guys promote and appreciate that, whereas the general population still feels somewhat uncomfortable about seeing 'everything' a guy has.

[dorcas3]

Just got done swimming in Turbos at Y. Only mention of what I wear was some time ago when they asked if I swam for the Aussie water polo team- I said of course. I have been in this locker room for a long time with the same gang -never a thing from any of them about my speedos. Some even wear them. If I am swimming in a lane next to a good swimmer and they aren't wearing speedos I suggest them and they all agree! As regards Turbo sizing I can,t beleive that those big guys have such small waists-maybe made special for them.

[Dooley67]

Just got done swimming in Turbos at Y. Only mention of what I wear was some time ago when they asked if I swam for the Aussie water polo team- I said of course. I have been in this locker room for a long time with the same gang -never a thing from any of them about my speedos. Some even wear them. If I am swimming in a lane next to a good swimmer and they aren't wearing speedos I suggest them and they all agree! As regards Turbo sizing I can,t beleive that those big guys have such small waists-maybe made special for them.

I have the same experience at my home Y being one of the very few to wear a speedo - sometimes I'm the only one. Locker room conversation is the same as in yours. At the Outer Banks Y where I've been swimming while vacationing, same thing. As a matter of fact, this morning I had just put on my Sporti suit and a guy who had finished his swim, struck up a conversation with me, asked me where I was from, talked a bit about my home state of Maine, stuck his hand out and introduced himself and said he hoped to see me again this week. On the beach, I was the only one in a speedo, a Turbo and absolutely no comments, looks, or anything. Lots of families with kids there. So what's all the hubbub about?

D67

[SwimTeamSpeedo]

D67,

Exactly right....

STS

[shaulis]

I am in total agreement with Dooley67 and STS.

[Dooley67]

It's that argument again of whether you want to pose in them or swim in them. Like how women will wear bikinis at the beach but not at the public pool, because bikinis are for posing, and gays must regard Speedos in the same way.

So if you go to the pubic pool for a swim, I don't see how that could be associated with being gay.

Bede,

Yesterday at the Y where I've been swimming while on vacation, for the first time I saw a hot young woman in a bikini swimming laps. The suit was the style women wear in Olympic Volleyball.

D67

[Bede735]

I would have felt a little distracted with that. :)

[Dooley67]

I would have felt a little distracted with that. :)

I was, but I swam on anyway.

D67

[Turbofan]

When ever we have a party at the house or meet up with friends at the beach my son and I are usually the only ones wearing speedos. No one has ever made a comment. I guess all our friends are used to it.

One occation I dished out a bunch of suits for guys to wear at the encouragement of everyone's wives and it was pretty funny. A lot of red faces but that was purely out of novelty then genuine embaressment. Same deal when one of my sons friends borrow one of his suits. Hes usually uncomfortable at first but it's a non issue after 5 minutes.

[zungaboy]

When ever we have a party at the house or meet up with friends at the beach my son and I are usually the only ones wearing speedos. No one has ever made a comment. I guess all our friends are used to it.

One occation I dished out a bunch of suits for guys to wear at the encouragement of everyone's wives and it was pretty funny. A lot of red faces but that was purely out of novelty then genuine embaressment. Same deal when one of my sons friends borrow one of his suits. Hes usually uncomfortable at first but it's a non issue after 5 minutes.


I think a good opportunity to begging to wear speedos is have 2 speedos in a bag when we go t the pool or a beach, one for you and another one if somebody forget his swimming trunk. It make to understand to the other people about is not rare see guys in Speedos and also the guy who is wear the speedo for first time he don’t feel so shy because he is not the only one guy wearing it at his first time.
I use to wear speedos at beaches and swimming pool but when I am coming to the beach/pool I wear my speedo under my board shorts, them if somebody forget his shorts to swim I take of my shorts and I give it to him. Of course I continue my day wearing only Speedos (sometimes speedo and T-shirt) but also I remember a day a group of guys we went together at a hotel for a business and this hotel had a pool outside. The day was very hit and a guy forgot his shorts to swim. He asked to a friend of him if he had another shorts and the friend tell him he had just one and a speedo (because he use his speedo like underwear inside the shorts) them he said to him if he wants use the speedo.. The guy said “nOOO I won’t to use it” but when he saw me using a speedo too the guy thought it 2 times more and took the chance to wear it (the speedo).

[Bede735]

Oh if you're wearing the briefest Speedos? There was another guy at the pool wearing briefs of about 2.5 - 3 inch sides, but mine were 2 inches. Still doesn't bother me.

[Torchwatch]

As a young senior runner I was to take part in a road relay in Hastings, when we arrived a friend discovered that he had forgotten to bring his shorts and asked if he could borrow mine. I was doing the 2nd leg and he was doing the final 4th leg so there was time to go down into the pedestrian underpass below the changeover and swop shorts.
I had chosen to wear a pair of really short Umbro running shorts made from fairly stiff shiny black nylon, with a white trim. They had cut away slit sides and I liked the way you could almost but not quite see inside them. They were unlined so one had to wear really brief underwear with them.
It was a fairly warm day and I ran quite hard so by the time I finished my leg of the race both I and my clothes were slick with sweat, I saw Andy and we both dashed down to the underpass, I pulled off my warm, slightly damp shorts and handed them to him and he pulled off his track suit bottoms then slipping my on my black shorts. As I put my track suit bottoms over my tiny briefs I saw Andy in my shorts and liked the way he looked, better than the square shorts he usually wore. He then dashed back to the road and prepared for his leg in the race.
Later when Andy gave me my shorts back they were really sweaty having been run in 2 legs of the race, but Andy had run hard and the team had done well.

[50 Free]

Well this morning at lap swim I could have asked a fellow "how does it feel to be the only guy NOT wearing speedos"?
But I didn't. It's not nice to pick on someone for what he wears in the pool. I think.

[knikon]

I think a good opportunity to begging to wear speedos is have 2 speedos in a bag when we go t the pool or a beach, one for you and another one if somebody forget his swimming trunk. It make to understand to the other people about is not rare see guys in Speedos and also the guy who is wear the speedo for first time he don’t feel so shy because he is not the only one guy wearing it at his first time.
I use to wear speedos at beaches and swimming pool but when I am coming to the beach/pool I wear my speedo under my board shorts, them if somebody forget his shorts to swim I take of my shorts and I give it to him. Of course I continue my day wearing only Speedos (sometimes speedo and T-shirt) but also I remember a day a group of guys we went together at a hotel for a business and this hotel had a pool outside. The day was very hit and a guy forgot his shorts to swim. He asked to a friend of him if he had another shorts and the friend tell him he had just one and a speedo (because he use his speedo like underwear inside the shorts) them he said to him if he wants use the speedo.. The guy said “nOOO I won’t to use it” but when he saw me using a speedo too the guy thought it 2 times more and took the chance to wear it (the speedo).


Going off what you said I almost always wear a speedo under my jeans if I am going to somewhere where the opportunity could arise. It is a quick excuse to wear on and you dont need to get changed.

[dorcas3]

I have done the following in the past to ease my way into wearing speedos at the pool. Put your speedos on at home and when you get to the locker room just take off your outer clothes put them in the locker grab your goggles and cap-then-either wrap a towel around your waist and go to the pool, or as I did take an old drag suit over your speedos-mine was a Dolfin that I cut the liner out of and the first time get into the pool with it on-swim a length,take it off in the water and put it up on the side of the pool. Reverse before you get out. It will be easy to put the drag suit back on without the liner. Get out and go to the locker room. The second time do the same but don't put the suit back on in the water but get out and then put in on over speedos. Third time repeat but drop the suit before you get in the pool-take your time and do some stretching obvious to all in just the speedos-go swim -get out of pool and don't put on cover and go to locker room. Next time just wear speedos. Wear rhe same speedo for weeks. With a cap on and goggles hooked under your speedo you will look like you mean to be a serious swimmer-walk with confidence and engage in conversation at all times when the opportunity arrives. Watch how some people will "look you over" while talking to them. Stay confident-you have nothing to be "shy" about!

[Bede735]

I don't have a problem walking around in a Speedo - it's being naked. So I tend to wear them under my trousers before going for a swim, and after the swim I aim to change in a cubicle. Some pools are unisex and are all cubicles, which makes it easier.

[Dooley67]

I don't have a problem walking around in a Speedo - it's being naked. So I tend to wear them under my trousers before going for a swim, and after the swim I aim to change in a cubicle. Some pools are unisex and are all cubicles, which makes it easier.

Bede,

That sounds like a very good compromise for you. The most important thing is that there is no right or wrong way. If you're fine walking around in a speedo but are uncomfortable being naked, then you should do what you are comfortable with. Each one of us decides what our comfort level is and then act accordingly.

D67

[Dooley67]

Well today while swimming laps at the Y, there were two other guys in swim briefs. One was wearing a black square cut, and the other was wearing what looked like the older suits from the 60's, blue stripes down the sides which were probable 5". No matter, that's what they were comfortable in. I was comfortable in my Turbo 2" Ipanema.

D67

[drawstringz]

Hey, new guy here. I've been wearing brief type suits for a long time now. I swim daily at the different pools in the city. For the most part I've never worn anything but a speedo-type suit. A swim club swims at our bigger pool and all the younger guys wear a speedo, nice to see it making a comeback!

Anyway at the smaller pool, it's a bunch of regulars who go. Other than me, there's the odd speedo. A few square cuts and lots of board shorts. We usually have to wait until doors are locked to get in. Everyone knows each other and we are all pretty friendly. A few weeks back, waiting to get in, it was me and one of the other swimmers. I stood under the shower keeping wet and warm. My swimming pal started to comment on my suit. He told me I had balls to wear one. I said I do, and pointed to them. He laughed and said he used to wear one and wants to buy one and asked where did I get mine. It was obvious he had been working up the nerve for a while to ask me.

Said he was going to stores to look. I told him he wouldn't have much luck until spring. He asked where I got mine (I have a few and switch them daily so I can wear them a bit longer) and I told him online. He said he'd have his son look for him. Gave him some advice, especially around sizes. I really hope he doesn't find one cuz he just doesn't have the right build for one. Maybe squarecuts might be better on him.

And last week, one of the older guys forgot his trunks. I said 'here take one of mine' knowing full well he wouldn't be caught dead in one. He was like No Way! The other guys all laughed.

Other than that, nobody has really ever commented on my suits unless to ask where I get them. It's happened a few times.

Anyway, more for another time.

[speedotime]

At my college rec, there are a fair number of speedo wearers. However, I still get some comments/looks from time to time. One time I was walking into the hot tub and two guys in boardshorts gave me a dirty look. One time I passed by a guy while walking from the pool to the lockeroom and he laughed when he saw me in speedos and whispered something to his friend. I've also gotten comments in the locker room and pool - "Hey speedo boy!" or "Nice speedos!" or "I like your speedos" sarcastically. It makes me feel self-conscious at times, but I love wearing speedos around hot men and like to check out other handsome speedo wearers.

[Torchwatch]

Wear speedos in the pool because they help you swim faster, swim faster than the guys with dragging board shorts and listen to see if anyone is still being sarcastic. If you can outswim them and they are still talking rubbish then ignore them, they are unworthy.
If you can't outswim them then make improving and beating them your target. Beat them once and you'll always beat them.

[LeanHunk]

Speedotime, my university rec center pool is pretty similar. There are quite a few guys who wear swim briefs and quite a few that wear boardshorts. Most people don't give a damn what you wear, but there are always a few self-righteous pricks.

Like Torchwatch said, wear them to help you swim faster and better than those guys. This is a lap pool, after all. Swimmers wear briefs at lap pools. So long as everything is reasonably covered, it's none of those guys' business what you wear to swim laps.

It seems to me like they are so bored with their lives that they can't help but freak out when they see a fit dude in speedos.

[Lap Counter]

Speedotime, my university rec center pool is pretty similar. There are quite a few guys who wear swim briefs and quite a few that wear boardshorts. Most people don't give a damn what you wear, but there are always a few self-righteous pricks. It seems to me like they are so bored with their lives that they can't help but freak out when they see a fit dude in speedos.

What do the self-righteous pricks do/say?

I've only received one bad comment in a lifetime wearing Speedos.

[fitnessjock]

If you are going to the pool to swim laps, wearing a speedo makes sense. In fact, wearing board shorts to swim laps makes no sense since they create drag and make swimming harder and less efficient.

However, if you are going to the pool just to sit in the hot tub and sit in the steam room or sauna, I would wear board shorts myself.

[California Dolphin]

If you are going to the pool to swim laps, wearing a speedo makes sense. In fact, wearing board shorts to swim laps makes no sense since they create drag and make swimming harder and less efficient.

However, if you are going to the pool just to sit in the hot tub and sit in the steam room or sauna, I would wear board shorts myself.
Actually, board shorts don't make any sense for anything except sleeping during cold weather. Otherwise, they are excessive clothing and an annoyance.

[Nich]

Honestly, I have no problems wearing speedos to the pool, but the tough part is when it comes to the beach!

[PSDave]

man up -- Wear Them

[Torchwatch]

Wearing speedos in a pool while doing a hard swim session makes you a swimmer, but wearing speedos on the beach makes you a sun worshipper and into sensuality. This may be a bit too much in a heteronormatic environment where any display of male sensuality is frowned upon. We all have to survive in our own minds and our own communities.

[Dooley67]

Honestly, I have no problems wearing speedos to the pool, but the tough part is when it comes to the beach!

Nich,

Do what works for you. If wearing speedos on the beach makes you uncomfortable, then don't do it. Perhaps you'll give it a try when you're ready, but only when you are ready.

D67

[Bede735]

I think I don't wear Speedos at the beach because I never swim in the sea. Otherwise...

Though I'm thinking of taking part on the community dip in the sea next New Year's Day, so it definitely would be Speedos then.

[7_of_Fine]

A couple years back, I started wearing speedos again to swim. It couldn't be in a better place; A sci-fi con, where I could at least go with the thought that I wouldn't be the most out-of shape. A degree of body-positivity is present at the events I frequent. :p

Well, the first time, I was the only one in swim briefs. No big deal. No negativity, no bad comments; I was probably the one with the biggest criticisms of myself. A few of my gal pals were delighted, in that "too bad he's gay" way. The more time passed by at the pool, the more unaware of my garments I became. No unexpected arousal, no guilt, no shame. Just kind of zipping around the pool faster than anyone else (they didn't know that I was a serious swimmer).
The next year, I went to the pool to hang out and see if my usual acquaintances were present. They were. A lady friend then started to call her husband to the jacuzzi, where I had situated myself. He walks out of the pool in a nice red 2" speedo. she then explained that after last year, he felt emboldened to get his own pair. I looked around, and saw a few others had "followed suit" as well. (pun 50% intended).
Every year after that, I see a few more guys in nice swim briefs, of a great variety of different body types. Probably because this convention is held in a nice hotel with a decently sheltered pool. Probably because a great deal of the attendees are also involved in the fetish community.

[Dooley67]

Someone said in this thread a while back that if one person wears a speedo,type brief maybe others will.become emboldened to do the same. It sounds like you have succeeded in doing just that 7___of__Fine. Good for you.

D67

[drawstringz]

Its true! A couple guys at the local pool I swim at have asked me where I got my suit (Speedo style). Shortly after, the two who asked now wear them.

[valorian2]

So far I'm the only guy that wears Speedos at my gym pool, every other guy swims laps in knee-length shorts -- which has to be a nightmare. I can't imagine why that's the preference. Hoping that the more I go, I'll eventually see some other like minded guys. But I don't feel alone or embarrassed, for some reason wearing a Speedo feels really natural and did from the moment I first put one on. I'm more pleased by the fact that a lot of the other guys at the pool are also not fit or great swimmers; I'd be much more embarrassed if everyone there was an Olympic level swimmer and they had to lap me as I try to get back up to speed.

[PSDave]

when I was on the high school swim team the coach made us wear the knee length board shorts for practice. It was a great way to build muscles. When we pulled them off to get times we couldn't believe how fast we went.

[ReservedEnthusiast]

As we know in a lot of countries is less common to wear speedos, them a lot of guys who wear speedos are the onlyone to wear it at the beach or a pool, them I would like to make a question to the guys here .What you feel about to be the only one guy wearing speedos? Adrenalin? The cooler at the place? Shy? Afraid? the “alfa guy”? the guy with more personality? great to the ego? Happy to all the people have their eyes over you???
Be free to responded at real you feel.

Going back to the original discussion topic, I have been the only one in speedos only once or twice, and the biggest feeling I've had as a shy wearer is a sense of leadership. I feel like I am doing my bit to normalize the speedo in the workout environment. The first time was probably just walking around the locker room at the rec center on campus in just my speedo with goggles hanging from my neck. All of the other speedo-wearers tend to go straight out the door to the pool deck from the changing area closest to it, and at this point I was the only swimmer present in the locker room amongst the other athletes there to train for their sports or doing "curls for girls." I felt like I, a non-demigod-walking-the-earth/non-former-school-team-swimmer, was almost trying to show the bros that if even I can wear a speedo comfortably, it should be perfectly fine for anyone there to work out.

As for being the only one hanging out in speedos (not WORKING out), that was when I recently went to Arizona. I was the only one out of the 3 guys in my hotel room that wore a speedo, and I wore it around our room without hesitation, just going about my business getting ready for bed. Perhaps this isn't the BEST comparison, but it's like meeting someone with a bad scar or burn mark on their skin. A girl friend (emphasis on that little space between the L and F) had boiling water accidentally spilled on her neck when she was one or 2 years old, and it left a permanent red area that looks slightly inflamed. At first, it is a surprise to see, but you quickly get used to it and realize it has no reflection on her personality or beauty. Similarly, seeing a guy in a speedo might come as a shock at first, but you would soon adjust. So that's what I'm doing, I guess: providing the initial "shock" to start the process of normalizing speedos again. (Though I'd like to think I'm not THAT terrible-looking in my suit! Lol)

Well this morning at lap swim I could have asked a fellow "how does it feel to be the only guy NOT wearing speedos"?
But I didn't. It's not nice to pick on someone for what he wears in the pool. I think.

I agree, 50 Free, but actually that's what helped with the final push for me to get a speedo. I was literally the only one at my rec center's pool who was in board shorts!

[zungaboy]

Many men who would like to wear speedo they do not because "the otter guys" are wearing bording shorts... them the cuestion "how does it feel to be the only guy NOT wearing speedos"? could be a "politically incorrect" and inpertinent question, BUT the right question at the right time for who want wear speedo but still does not dare to it :)

[lapswimmer]

In Austin, there is usually one other swimmer in a Speedo. However, since I don't have anything but bikiniwear, I don't have much choice by design to wear anything else. The area is pretty progressive, so I doubt I will ever hear any discouraging words from other pool visitors. I say, wear with confidence, and enjoy your suit.